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Chiroptera
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Message 172 of 190 (406599)
06-21-2007 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Jon Paine
06-21-2007 2:08 PM


Re: the iniquity of the fathers
Why wouldn't it be?

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Chiroptera
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Message 174 of 190 (406604)
06-21-2007 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Jon Paine
06-21-2007 2:15 PM


Re: the iniquity of the fathers
Um, okay, but you didn't really answer my question as much as you just repeated the implied claim in your previous post. But this is a problem with discussions about morality and right/wrong -- people take their own feelings about right and wrong for granted and start to think that there is some objective reasons for their opinions.
So, let me ask again: why wouldn't it be right to hold people responsible for the crimes committed by their parents? Why couldn't guilt be passed onto the offspring? An awful lot of societies, maybe even most, have had no problem with the concept of punishing entire families or communities, including children or others we would deem "innocent", for the crimes committed by a single individual.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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Chiroptera
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Message 176 of 190 (406651)
06-21-2007 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Jon Paine
06-21-2007 2:35 PM


Re: the iniquity of the fathers
Hi, Jon.
It is my opinion that it is a sin to hold children accountable for the sins of their fathers.
Okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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It is just an opinion, but I expect it is shared by others.
Sure. It's shared by me, for instance.
Now, if you're saying, "According to Jon Paine and Chiroptera's personal sense of morality, it is wrong to hold people accountable for the sins of their ancestors," then I guess you would be making a true statement.
If you're saying, "According to the principles of modern liberal democracy, it is wrong to hold people accountable for the crimes of their ancestors," then I would definitely say you are correct.
But to make a blanket statement like "It is wrong to hold people accountable for the crimes of their ancestors," would not be true at all, not unless you're making a claim that there are some objective standards of morality independent of our subjective opinions. We've wasted quite a few threads here on arguing about that very point.
It would be very interesting if you were making such a claim. There are some people here who claim that one needs to believe in a god (or that a god must exist -- sometimes I can't figure out their argument) in order to accept an objective morality. While I've always believe that the two are not logically related, it would be interesting if there were an instantiation of this.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

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