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Message 19 of 190 (402520)
05-27-2007 7:31 PM

Reply to: Message 17 by Jon Paine
05-27-2007 4:40 PM

Re: The Whole Story

Jon Paine writes:

Yes, that is the gist of the OT. We get into problems, ie; strife in the middle east, when a third of the world population believes it. What can be done to offset this message to let the next generation know that God (if he exists) plays no favorites?

Should we attempt to limit God (as we understand Him) to what is said about Him in the Bible?

Should we tell the next generation who God is or should we allow them to ask questions and find their own idea about Him on their own?

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Message 30 of 190 (402562)
05-28-2007 12:51 AM

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05-27-2007 11:56 PM

Mono vs Man-o, or Omni versus Ego

dameeva writes:

f the bible says god creates both good and evil and it is apparent in our experience, then where is the confusion?

If there is a god\goodness then the polarity of god must exist, hence devil\evil.

Not much difference is there? We cannot have one without the other. It is all or nothing. Both or neither. Choice!

We all have our opinions and we all have our beliefs---based on our human interpretations of what the scriptures say and mean. Personally, I believe that God created the possibility of evil (perhaps to define what he was not) and also to make rebellion and independence even possible.

According to dogma, God never created an actual fallen Satan. He created a freewill Lucifer who had a thought to become like God...thus becoming evil by definition. (Something about the Omnipotence being singular rather than dualistic)!

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I don't see God and Satan as yin-yang dualism.

also here

this one explains the dichotomy of the material (creation) and the spiritual (Creator)

Lucifer/Satan was created by God. God was created by nobody( including human minds) He was and is an uncaused first and last (eternal) reality. (IMB, of course)

Edited by Phat, : I am not omnipotent and tend to make mistakes

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Message 43 of 190 (402643)
05-29-2007 7:04 AM

Reply to: Message 39 by Jon Paine
05-29-2007 2:35 AM

The Amerikites were commanded by God to slay the infidels

Jon Paine writes:

Jon, the question is off topic. The thread is about whether the God as presented in the Bible is Evil.

Perhaps the question could be better rephrased.

Are the words attributed to God in the Bible actually Gods words? If not, could it be the human authors of the Bible who are attempting to use God to justify the plot twists in their stories?

What is a working definition of evil? I would define evil as doing anything outside of the will of God, as we understand Him.

Lets examine some of the O.T. and put it into a modern context.

What if some ancient historian were teleported to the current century. Furiously chiseling his observations on a stone tablet, perhaps our ancient reporter would record something such as this:

And it came to pass that on the eleventh day of the ninth month, the holy martyrs from the kingdom of Egypt captured several of the Great Winged Chariots and rode them through the air and they crashed into the Giant Twin Towers of the Amerikites.
And God spoke to King Bush The Lesser and commanded him to go forth and find the great leader of the Egyptian Martyrs from the kingdom of Arabia.

And it came to pass that a mighty Army was gathered and sailed forth from the shores of America and the Amerikites were of one mind and heart, for they feared for the safety of their kingdom.

And Bin Laden, who was the leader of the Martyrs, had journeyed to the land of the Afghan Kingdoms. The people saw his stature and they understood the wrath that the Amerikites had for him, and thus they hid him in the caves of Tora Bora and when the Amerikites rained brimstone down upon him as God had commanded them to do, the Martyrs escaped by night into the land of Pakistan. And Bin Laden was of great height he stood a full 7 cubits high!

Wherever he went, the people hid him, for they knew that he had stirred up the false gods of the Amerikites and that the Amerikites worshiped created things.

But King Bush was convinced that he heard from the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He told his advisers that it was the people of the moon god that were the true idolators, for surely they wanted to crush the blessings that Jehovah had bestowed upon the Amerikites.

Meanwhile, the King of Babylon, whose name was Saddam, helped the martyrs and the noble cause of Bin Laden, for he hated the Amerikites and the famines that they had caused his people. He feared no gods except his own advisers, and he purged the men who got too close to his throne.

The point of my contrived story, written by our scribe teleported back in time, was that each culture had a view of the God that they worshiped.

Whether any of these gods actually exist is never going to be proven or disproved since God is part of each individual cultural and personal belief.

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