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Author Topic:   Does the Bible say the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago?
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Message 293 of 319 (495886)
01-24-2009 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by ICANT
01-24-2009 12:46 PM

the waters
So the waters just existed like whatever that was at T=0 in the other version. Is that what you are saying?
Who knows where the waters came from? Nobody says. Have you ever read Enuma Elish? It begins with waters with no stated origins. It might be reference to the Persian Gulf which had a mixture of salt and fresh water, but who can know for sure?
When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven,
Apsu is fresh water and Tiamut is salt water. Together, they were the waters. Genesis 1 is given a very similar structure, but is shockingly different. Imagine growing up with Enuma Elish and then you hear someone tell the story of Genesis 1. It would knock your socks off! Especially the way it jumps straight into separating the waters with the firmament which doesn't happen until after a whole load of events have passed in Enuma Elish.
Then the lord rested, gazing upon her dead body,
While he divided the flesh of the ... , and devised a cunning plan.
He split her up like a flat fish into two halves;
One half of her he stablished as a covering for heaven.
He fixed a bolt, he stationed a watchman,
And bade them not to let her waters come forth.
He passed through the heavens, he surveyed the regions thereof,
And over against the Deep he set the dwelling of Nudimmud.
No debate, just throwing it out there for digestion.

Hmm, should probably read at least the first page of a debate rather than the last few before deciding to add input.
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Message 314 of 319 (496872)
01-31-2009 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by ICANT
01-29-2009 9:57 AM

Re: understanding Genesis
Deuteronomy 1:1 These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
Would be the title of Deuteronomy.
So the book of Deuteronomy is all the words Moses spoke unto all Israel before they crossed Jordan
It is. The Hebrew title of the work is "Devarim", which means 'words' as in "These be the words."
Numbers 1:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
Would be the title of Numbers.
It is. The Hebrew title is 'wilderness', or in Hebrew "Bamidbar"
Leviticus 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
Would be the title of Leviticus.
It is titled "Vayikra", which means "And he called".
Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
Would be the title of Exodus.
Guess what this bit is called in Hebrew? Shemot, or "Names".
For what its worth in Hebrew, Genesis is titled "B'reshit" which means...In the beginning.
The names you and I are familiar with didn't appear until the Septuagint.
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