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Author Topic:   Does the Bible say the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago?
lyx2no
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Message 61 of 319 (491796)
12-21-2008 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
12-20-2008 11:13 PM


Re: Setting The Record Straight
2. jashua's long day.
Joshua would argue against you. The people clearly expected a day to be a day od 24 hours or theyed not thought anything of it being not 24 hours. They said it was not like any other day.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 64 of 319 (491805)
12-21-2008 9:40 AM
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12-21-2008 9:13 AM


Re: Setting The Record Straight
I don't male your point. JOSHUA'S day was mentioned as being odd in the bible. the first five days werent you made it up. How do you know.
I'm and incarntion of lyx2no. the first was my uncle. I was oldest so I got his room and comuter.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 66 of 319 (491810)
12-21-2008 10:36 AM
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12-21-2008 10:17 AM


Re: Setting The Record Straight
Spelling and grammar.
He was also out of the eighth grade. I'll try harder.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 79 of 319 (492051)
12-27-2008 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Itinerant Lurker
12-27-2008 10:13 AM


The Inerrant Word of God
Surely if we are arguing against the inerrant word of God we should be allowed to assume that He won't screw it all up. Who follows a god whose standard is "good enough for government work"?
Edited by lyx2no, : Spelling
Edited by lyx2no, : Clarity & Grammar.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 80 of 319 (492052)
12-27-2008 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by jaywill
12-27-2008 1:02 PM


He Explained Why
"Why shouldn't I simply ignore your opinion then?"
He explained in the post you just ignored, "Who cares? Are you seriously trying to run the argument from authority past me? It doesn't matter what any scientist, no matter how prominent, thinks. The only thing that matters is what the data says."
Follow the data, not the man.
Edited by lyx2no, : Punctuation

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 83 of 319 (492055)
12-27-2008 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by jaywill
12-27-2008 1:42 PM


A Piece of Cake
God, and his pal Santa, clearly set up all the evidence to indicate to us that The Big Bang and Evolution were major parts of the method of choice for setting up a place for us to stay. If the words don't match the evidence what does one do?
"I didn't eat the cake, Cap'n*." I say with icing all over my face.
One isn't allowed to interpret the data as so much piffle. One has to explain it.
"Digg 'Em” hit me in the face with the cake tin and ran off with the rest." I say, as the blood seeps to the surface of the icing on my chin.
*Cap'n Crunch
”Digg 'Em the Sugar Smacks frog.
I run with an eclectic crowd
Edited by lyx2no, : I got lost between my title and my story.
Edited by lyx2no, : Consistency and grammar.
Edited by lyx2no, : Grammar (How am I doing Buzsaw?)

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 86 of 319 (492065)
12-27-2008 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by jaywill
12-27-2008 1:42 PM


Re: He Explained Why
quote:
Right. And interpreting the Data as Jastrow has every right to offer his interpretation.
The message from professor Robert Jastrow is idle pondering, not an interpretation of data. Furthermore, Jastrow offered little if anything. Nowhere does he say "Looks like God did it after all." He says some scientist are going to have a hard time resolving their need for answers with the possibility that some answers will never come. Big Woop! At best he enables us to infer that we shouldn't dismiss God out of hand. And this he does primarily in the final sentence, a quote from E. A. Milne, that need not be taken as anything but metaphor.
If it was Jastrow's position that science is revealing God he should have stated it clearly. Just as God should have stated clearly how he made the world. Your interpretation of someone else's interpretation of Jastrow's ponderings being used to interpret the inerrant word of God is a bit thin.
quote:
Who cares? Some of us care what he has to say ... following the data, interpreting the data, looking to where the evidence leads.
The "Who cares?" comment was Rrhain's, and his point was that the comments you were interpreting as scientific opinion (as indicated by your having offered Jastrow up as a noted scientist. Einstein's opinion of rainy days is not an official weather report.) were nothing of the sort. Your answer strongly indicates you have failed to understand. Narrative is not the type of material one should be using to inform ones scientific understanding of the natural world. I go to a Catholic High School and I'd not be allowed to get away with is this kind of support for a research paper.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 128 of 319 (492620)
01-01-2009 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Buzsaw
01-01-2009 6:57 PM


My Eyes have Opened
Anyone with half a brain in gear understands by the textual wording that the word void here simply means void of life and order. The text clearly states what the "void" means. It reads, "waste and void" in the ASV and similar in other versions. It has to be existing to be a "waste."
It has been explained clearly to you that the language of the writer had far fewer words than the English vocabulary and that the context determines the applicable meaning of words such as earth and void etc. You apparantly choose to willfully ignore that fact for the sake of advancing your silly senseless arguments.
Now I know what my Uncle meant when he would tell me to stop making Buzsaw noises when I said something daft.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 137 of 319 (492730)
01-02-2009 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by jaywill
01-02-2009 12:30 PM


Hind Sight
I think he repented that he gave it to me.
Would he have given it to you if he knew what you were going to do with it?
Several times now I have seen someone use an anecdote like that one as an analogy to something God did. No analogy of this type can work, however, because the actors of the anecdotes aren't omniscient; whereas, God is.
God knew that Adam was going to eat from the tree, that men were going to be wicked, that Lot's wife was going to turn back, and that I would give no more credence to the Bible than I do to Marvel Comics. Yet He ousted Adam, Flooded the Earth, turn Irit into a pillar of salt, and is biding His time to send me to Hell. Could He have not made the branches higher, men more conscientious ” and before the free will crowd pipes in; more thoughtful is not the equivalent of mindless robot ” shrouded the plain in dust, and back up the Bible with evidence.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 140 of 319 (492757)
01-02-2009 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ICANT
01-02-2009 2:01 PM


Won a Bet with Myself
And without faith it is impossible to please God.
As I saw it, there were two possible response (three if one count ignoring it). Free will or Faith, so I eliminated free will and I'll be danged If I didn't get faith.
"Don't you trust me?" Is that not the stock reply of any con man? Why will God only be please if only idiots follow Him?
Sorry, I've been off topic for a while now, but it's ICANT's fault.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 141 of 319 (492759)
01-02-2009 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by ICANT
01-01-2009 11:09 PM


Re: Re Judaism
God said the evening and the morning constituted the first day.
He did not say the evening and the evening constituted the first day.
God declared the first day ended when morning came.
As you say yourself, evening and morning were constituent parts of the first day. The day ended when morning left, not when it arrived.

Don't do that Dave.

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