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Author Topic:   Does the Bible say the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago?
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Message 316 of 319 (496924)
01-31-2009 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by Rrhain
01-31-2009 5:27 AM


Re Age
Hi Rrhain,
Thanks for the thread it was a good read.
Rrhain writes:
Incorrect. Instead, you will play dumb as if you don't know this. You play dumb as if you are expecting the Bible to say, "the Earth was created on Sunday the 21st of October, 4004 B.C., at exactly 9:00 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh" (points if you catch the reference).
Well lets see, with all your math and all the other math in the referenced thread you get the creation of modern man somewhere around 5800 years ago.
That does not answer the question when did Genesis 1:1 take place.
Neither does it give a chapter and verse that says the earth was created 6000 years ago.
So in the future it would be more accurate to say, according to the generations given in the Bible Adam was created x number of years ago.
Rrhain writes:
Your question is nonsensical. Genesis 2 was written by a completely different author from Genesis 1 and thus has absolutely no connection to it.
It doesn't make any difference who wrote Genesis 2:4 it still claims to define what took place the day Genesis 1:1 took place.
But many of the scholars do not agree with you and neither do I.
I believe Moses wrote it. He was educated with the highest education of his day as he was raised by Pharaoh's daughter. The children of Israel had been in the brick making business for many years and could have provided him all the clay tablets he needed. Their quality might not have been too good considering their place of residence for 40 years.
Rrhain writes:
That's why it contradicts the story. Genesis 2 starts all over, completely ignorant of Genesis 1
But it does not contradict the story in Genesis 1:2-2:3.
It is not talking about the same event.
Genesis 2:4 is talking about what happened in Genesis 1:1 which was the beginning that you keep saying I have moved. You moved it not me.
Genesis 1:2-2:3 is talking about an event that took place about 6,000 years ago.
Rrhain writes:
Gen 1:1 - Gen 2:3. That's what happened "in the beginning."
Incorrect.
Genesis 1:1 happened in the beginning.
We have a subject the heaven and the earth.
We have an instigator, God.
We have a completed action, created.
So God created the heaven and the earth. Completed action nothing else need to be done.
Genesis 2:4 claims to be the history of what happened that day.
Rrhain writes:
Incorrect. Gen 2:7 tells us what humans were made out of, but it doesn't tell us how god did it. Humans are made out of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, and various other elements. But humans are not made by taking a lump of coal, a hunk of calcium, and dumping it into a vat of water and ammonia with some sludge at the bottom. Gen 2:7 certainly has more detail then Gen 1:27, but that isn't saying much.
So when you need for one story to back up your point of view it is OK to mix the stories to suit yourself.
Rrhain writes:
quote:
Actually it does not tell us God created light.
Incorrect:
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Let us not play dumb about what that verse means.
The verse does not say God created light.
It does say He said let there be light.
When I walk into my bedroom I clap my hands and light appears. Are you telling me God could not do something like that by speaking?
Rrhain writes:
quote:
Where was this light?
Separated from the darkness. Thus, the evening and the morning of the first day. A literal, 24-hour day from "the beginning."
Well according to Rrhain there was no universe, heavens and earth for the light to be.
So where was it?
Rrhain writes:
quote:
The first living man was formed from the dust of the ground and God breathed the breath of life into him. This was the first life on earth.
Which, of course, is in complete contradiction to Gen 1:12 where the first life is plants, created on the third, literal, 24-hour day as measured from "the beginning." The first humans wouldn't come for three more days.
Then they are not talking about the same events, then are they?
Rrhain writes:
quote:
So you are telling me the universe was in the water.
No. I'm telling you that the Bible says that god divided the waters from the waters by creating the universe.
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So according to Rrhain's interpertation the universe was created inside the water's.
That would mean the water surrounds the universe.
Rrhain writes:
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Was and is the earth in the universe?
Eventually, but not until the waters under the heaven are gathered in one place to let the dry land appear.
Since the universe was surrounded by the water as it was created in the blob of water in Genesis 1:2 the earth must be outside the universe.
If the waters below the universe heavens were gathered in one place to let the dry land appear that land has to be outside the universe.
If this is not your position you need to explain your ramblings.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 317 of 319 (496927)
01-31-2009 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by Peg
01-31-2009 5:35 AM


Re Intention
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
if you want to look at this verse literally, you'd have to agree that it implies that the 12 hours of daylight time, is being called 'day' and the 12 hours of dark time is being called 'night'
That is correct.
Here is the verse.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
It says the light portion He called day.
It says the dark portion He called night.
He then declared the end of the light period and the end of the dark period was the first day.
So a light period and a dark period equals one day.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
If you will notice very closely the morning that ended the first day begins the second light period which is the light portion of the second day that ended with the second dark portion.
I mention that to remind you that I believe the light portion of the first day was a period of light that lasted from Genesis 1:1 until about 6,000 years ago.
I believe Genesis 2:4 through Genesis 4:24 took place in that light period.
That also accounts for Cain and his decendants not having a age in the 4th chapter.
Here Is a website you might be interested in. It is my friend Gaines Johnson, he is the only one I have ever found that comes close to what I believe. He just does not get the man created in Genesis 2:7 to be a human, as he does not see humans until Genesis 1:27.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 318 of 319 (496986)
01-31-2009 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Modulous
01-31-2009 7:42 AM


Re: understanding Genesis
Hi Mod,
Modulous writes:
The names you and I are familiar with didn't appear until the Septuagint.
Which according to most scholars was prior to the Tanach.
The Hebrew names of the books of the Tanach are based on the first prominent word in each book as I understand it.
The discussion I was having with Peg was, She had said the first verse of Genesis was an introduction and I was saying if that is the case these are the introduction to the following books. Which does not make sense.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 319 of 319 (497045)
02-01-2009 8:53 AM


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