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Percy
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Message 254 of 316 (508491)
05-14-2009 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Peg
05-14-2009 8:45 AM


Re: Peg
IGNORE THIS POST
I'm not going to modify this post, but as Modulous's reply indicates it is clearly wrong. Peg evidently meant that it is the *Hebrew* Bible that has titles that are phrases taken from the opening passage. Sorry Peg. --Percy
Peg writes:
... in fact the title is always the first sentence or few lines of words and its the same for all the writings found from ancient times.
This is obviously untrue. There were other errors in your post, but this hypothesis is so easy to test that I think I will:
English TitleFirst Few LinesConsistent with Peg's Hypothesis
Genesis In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. No
Exodus These are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob, each with his household: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Is'sachar, Zeb'ulun, and Benjamin, Dan and Naph'tali, Gad and Asher. No
Leviticus The LORD called Moses, and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel, and say to them, When any man of you brings an offering to the LORD, you shall bring your offering of cattle from the herd or from the flock. No
Numbers The LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tent of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying, "Take a census of all the congregation of the people of Israel, by families, by fathers' houses, according to the number of names, every male, head by head; No
Deuteronomy These are the words that Moses spoke to all Israel beyond the Jordan in the wilderness, in the Arabah over against Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Haze'roth, and Di'-zahab. No
Joshua After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, the LORD said to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, "Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, you and all this people, into the land which I am giving to them, to the people of Israel. Yes
Judges After the death of Joshua the people of Israel inquired of the LORD,of "Who shall go up first for us against the Canaanites, to fight against them?" The LORD said, "Judah shall go up; behold, I have given the land into his hand." No
So far you're one for seven, your hypothesis is looking pretty much busted. Do you see any need to work further through the Bible?
I don't think this is critical to the point you were trying to make. I'm just reindicating my astonishment at your high rate of glaring errors. I thought it was just in science, but apparently you make things up about religion, too.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Add disavowal.

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Percy
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Message 256 of 316 (508494)
05-14-2009 9:45 AM
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05-14-2009 9:31 AM


Re: ahem, quality assurance officer calls again
Modulous writes:
Most of the names were given to the works later,...
This I think we're all familiar with.
...and the tendency is to refer to them by the first significant noun or action in the work.
But not when translated? Or is this just a quirk of English translations?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 259 of 316 (508622)
05-15-2009 6:33 AM
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05-15-2009 6:21 AM


Creation took only a week, it's only a tiny portion of the period from Adam to today.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 261 of 316 (508627)
05-15-2009 7:24 AM
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05-15-2009 7:12 AM


Re: Peg
Peg, what part of "IGNORE THIS POST" and a statement that it "is clearly wrong" in large bold red at the top of the post didn't you understand?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 285 of 316 (508927)
05-17-2009 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Peg
05-17-2009 2:12 AM


Slevesque posted something relevant in Message 29. He quotes "Oxford Hebrew scholar James Barr" as follows:
probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Gen. 1—11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that
1. creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience.
Barr commits the fallacy of appeal to authority when he expresses doubt that anyone at a world-class university believes otherwise concerning the 24 hour days, and I'm willing to grant for the sake of discussion that other interpretations of the days in Genesis deserve sincere consideration. My point is that the 24 hour interpretation as the intended meaning of the original authors has very wide acceptance that is much greater than your own interpretation. In fact, your interpretation seems confined to those attempting a reconciliation of the Bible with the scientific evidence of an ancient earth. Traditional YEC creationists attempt no such reconciliation, believing that science is simply wrong and that when the Bible says days it means real honest-to-God 24 hour days.
Of course, the evidence for a line of descent of great antiquity leading to modern man is equally unequivocal, as is evidence for modern man going back a hundred thousand years.
But this thread is in the religious forums where scientific views usually take a back seat. The relevant point I'm trying to introduce is that your view that 24 hour days were not the original intent of the authors is definitely a minority view within the broad range of Biblical scholarship. Certainly there are scholars on the other side of the issue, but they're in the minority. Being in the minority in a debate doesn't mean you're wrong, but you seem not to comprehend the minority status of your view. You propose it as if it's the most obvious thing, as if no one reasonable would ever think otherwise.
--Percy

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