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Author Topic:   A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?
rueh
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Message 76 of 121 (486046)
10-15-2008 11:54 AM
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10-15-2008 10:27 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
johnfulton writes:
Just tell those people that the earths orbit started on day 4 its rotation started on day one
So if the Earth was not orbiting the sun, what exactly kept it from being pulled directly into it? The earth has an eliptic orbit because of the interaction between earths speed and the pull of gravity from the sun. If you are saying that the earth at one time had a synchronous orbit with the sun you should be able to provide a means for earths speed to increase enough to account for our orbit today. Also, GPS satellites do orbit the earth. You can go right here to track their progression. GPS satellite tracking

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Message 77 of 121 (486055)
10-15-2008 1:30 PM
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10-15-2008 11:54 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
I think you might be onto something that God by causing motion moved the earth and all the planets causing them to fall around the sun; to their respective orbits including the moon. The speed of the moon for months, the speed of the earth to give us years and the circle of the orbit around the sun to give us the stars for the night sky with north/south stars continually visible in the night sky while the east west stars of the universe changing as the earth orbits the sun how God gave us these stars for signs and seasons, etc...
Its said it was not until the 4th day that the sun was placed in it particular place in the firmament of the day sky and the moon in the night sky.
The size of the moon and the sun the same size in the sky due to distance respective to the size gives us the same size in for the sun and the moon in the sky (firmament).
P.S. Was the earth always orbiting the sun ? When was this law created?
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Placing a Geostationary Satellite in Orbit
Geostationary satellites are very useful: They remain above the same spot on earth and so can be used to bounce communication signals to and from locations far beyond the horizon without the need for cables or land-based relay stations.
http://staff.science.nus.edu.sg/~parwani/htw/c2/node10.html

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rueh
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Message 78 of 121 (486061)
10-15-2008 2:13 PM
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10-15-2008 1:30 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
jf writes:
I think you might be onto something that God by causing motion moved the earth and all the planets causing them to fall around the sun
well first off let me start by saying that I am not in any way suggesting that the planets orbits are caused by god. There is no need to insert god into an equation that doesn't need him. The Planets are quite cabable of orbiting the sun due to natural processes, so involving god is nothing but mysticism. We might as well use Syamsu's explanation and say that the planets choose to stay in orbit through a process of freedom.
jf writes:
The size of the moon and the sun the same size in the sky due to distance respective to the size gives us the same size in for the sun and the moon in the sky (firmament).
I am not really sure what you are trying to convey here or how it ties into an antiquated idea of a firmament. In regards to the satellites. You do realize that even with a geosynchronous orbit these satellites are traveling at thousands of miles an hour, based on their distance from earth, correct? And that if they were stationary in comparison to the earth they would plummet to the ground. So if the earth ever had a geosynchronous orbit, it is still traveling at many many thousands of miles per hour and would require an exceptional amount of energy to speed it up to the orbit that we now currently have. This amount of energy would have left a vast amount of evidence. Evidence which is just not there. Again all we are left with is assertations from the creation side and no evidence.
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Message 79 of 121 (486066)
10-15-2008 3:43 PM
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10-15-2008 10:27 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
Just tell those people that the earths orbit started on day 4 its rotation started on day one.
That is nonsense. If the earth wasn't revolving around the sun, the sun's gravity would have pulled the earth into the sun and there would be no arguments for none of us would exist.

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 80 of 121 (486107)
10-16-2008 1:54 AM
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10-15-2008 2:13 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
Doing a short bible study came across this verse that God is able to bind or loosen the bands of gravity (the scientific principle of string theory in the bible). Since he created the earth no reason it was orbiting the sun until he turned it over to the sun to rule the day it might well be that the sun was not a star until the 4th creation day in that in the New Jerusalem the tree of life will bear fruit yet no light of the sun only the light that the Lord God giveth rev 22:5, etc...
The bible tells us that God is able to control the bands of gravity and control the movements of the heavenly.
P.S. The moon is about the same size of the New Jerusalem that will be carried back toward the earth. The bible says the Lord sits on the circle of the earth and interestingly the face of the moon always faces the earth and seems closer to a circle than to an eliptical orbit due to each moving to the barycenter of the other the earth actually moves in respect to the moon as it orbits the sun.
Whatever, after the great white throne judgement the new jerusalem comes out of heaven from God to our planet earth. akjv revelation 21:2. Thats quite a control over the forces of gravity because the new jerusalem should be slamming into the earth but scripture has it is the home of the saved, our mansions that are within which the Lord said he was preparing for those of us that will be saved where death will be swallowed up in victory, that where our Lord is there will we too be, etc...
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Job 38:31 King James Bible
Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Job 38:32 King James Bible
Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
rev 21:12 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
rev 21:10 And he carried me awy in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven form God,
rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth; and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Isaiah 40:22 King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
John 14:2-3 KJV" In my Father's house are many mansions. if it were not so, I would have told you. I go and prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
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ORION
In fact, all these stars that at the present time constitute the constellation of Orion are bound for different ports, and all are journeying to different corners of the universe, so that the bands are being dissolved.
THE PLEIADES
The Pleiades stars may thus be compared to a swarm of birds, flying together to a distant goal. This leaves no doubt that the Pleiades are not a temporary or accidental agglomeration of stars, but a system in which the stars are bound together by a close kinship.
ARCTURUS
"Canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" Garrett P. Serviss wrote:
Arcturus, one of the greatest suns in the universe, is a runaway whose speed of flight is 257 miles per second. Arcturus, we have every reason to believe, possesses thousands of times the mass of our sun. Think of it! Our sun is traveling only 12 miles a second, but Arcturus is traveling 257 miles a second.
http://www.christiantrumpetsounding.com/god_of_science.htm
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The Earth, Sun, and Moon
The earth and moon revolving around the barycenter.
http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/begin/earthsunmoon.htm
Earth and Moon Compared
The Moon has approximately 1/4 Earth's diameter, 1/50 Earth's volume, and 1/80 Earth's mass. Earth is very dense overall (it is the densest planet in the Solar System), but the Moon is light for its size. The difference is partly because Earth has a large core of iron and other heavy metallic elements, while the Moon has only a small core, if it has a core at all.
http://home.xtra.co.nz/...0Orbit%20Around%20the%20Earth.html
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Message 81 of 121 (486108)
10-16-2008 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by bluescat48
10-15-2008 3:43 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
If the earth wasn't revolving around the sun, the sun's gravity would have pulled the earth into the sun
The bible disagree's he is able to bind or loosen these forces you call gravity.
Note: Seems the lucerne accelerator was shutdown due a hotspot the magnetics could not control. Seems like they are trying to play god in respect to gravity and akjv rev:13 sounds like gravity being affected where not only massive earthquakes, but the stuff in orbit of the earth will come falling back to the earth.
Kind of funny your digital phone getting taken out by the lucerne folk. The bible says if God did not intervene man would destroy the earth so no flesh would survive.
It sounds like if lucerne is not bunker bombed it will startup in 2009 possibly as soon as possible however if they could not control a hotspot how could they control something if it happens when they are up to full strength.
It sounds to me like it might well be something that magnetics will not contain like some kind of graviton wave out of a science fiction horror movie come to life, near destroying the whole earth where the powers of the heavens the Word says shall be shaken akjv Matthew 24:29.
Guess for believers if we die or not will not matter too much because rapture is said to happen shortly after this event, etc... akjv matthew 24:29-31.
P.S. Do you think the lucerne particle accelerator should be bunker bombed? What man made device is capable other than the lucerne particle accelerator that could possibly shake the powers of the heavens that God says is going to be shaken?
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bluescat48
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Message 82 of 121 (486133)
10-16-2008 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by johnfolton
10-16-2008 1:56 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
The bible says if God did not intervene man would destroy the earth so no flesh would survive.
Man might kill off himself and other life, but in no way can he, at this time, destroy the planet. It will exist for millions, maybe billions of years after man has become extinct.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 83 of 121 (486138)
10-16-2008 11:00 AM
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10-16-2008 9:07 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
Man might kill off himself and other life, but in no way can he, at this time, destroy the planet. It will exist for millions, maybe billions of years after man has become extinct.
The Bible clearly says in Revelation 11:18 that "God will destroy those who destroy the earth."
I agree God will shorten those days for the elects sake that man is capable of destroying all flesh if God did not intervene no life would survive the coming apocalypse. God won't allow the earth to be destroyed but appears the heavens shall be shaken.
Do you think April 5th 2009 is too soon for the Lucerne to get back to powering up? For the start date of the apocalypse? Two things to keep our eye on the treaty with Israel and the startup of CERN interesting times were living in. However the bible says were the generation!
P.S. Jack Van Impe one of the great tele evangelists agrees with you that the earth will never be destroyed.
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Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 08:55
Swiss news at a glance
CERN stops ’big bang’ experiment until next year
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is going to be out of operation for longer than previously estimated. The Director of CERN says that having to shut down the particle accelerator until the spring is “a major psychological blow” for Geneva’s European Organization for Nuclear Research. A few days ago, CERN estimated that repairs on an electrical connection would mean that the LHC would be down for about two months.
Error 404 - WRS
The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will be shut off until spring 2009 while engineers probe a magnet failure.
The incident on 19 September caused a tonne of liquid helium to leak out into the experiment's 27km-long tunnel.
Officials said the time required to fully investigate the problem precluded a re-start before the lab's winter maintenance period.
BBC News - Collider halted until next year
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akjv Matthew 24:22 And except "those days" should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect"s sake those days shall be shortened.
akjv Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of "those days" shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Doesn't say the planet will be destroyed just that the powers of the heaven shall be shaken:
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Message 84 of 121 (486143)
10-16-2008 11:41 AM
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10-16-2008 11:00 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
johnfolton writes:
"God will destroy those who destroy the earth."
Do you think April 5th 2009 is too soon for the Lucerne to get back to powering up? For the start date of the apocalypse? Two things to keep our eye on the treaty with Israel and the startup of CERN interesting times were living in. However the bible says were the generation!
Do you think there is no chance that the LHC will not destroy the Earth? Would you want to test your faith and bet $100 payable with Western Union. I swear I'll pay you to the last cent even if it has to be in the next life, should you be right and the planet goes the way of the dinosaurs.
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Message 85 of 121 (486144)
10-16-2008 11:45 AM
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10-16-2008 11:00 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
the stars shall fall from heaven.....
....Doesn't say the planet will be destroyed
How does your head not explode when you type that, johnfolton? Or are stars really about the size of large pumpkins, with some of them being wormwood-flavored? And does the US legalizing the sale of absinthe factor into all this end-time prophecy somehow?

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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rueh
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Message 86 of 121 (486147)
10-16-2008 11:55 AM
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10-16-2008 1:54 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
Doing a short bible study came across this verse that God is able to bind or loosen the bands of gravity (the scientific principle of string theory in the bible). Since he created the earth no reason it was orbiting the sun until he turned it over to the sun to rule the day it might well be that the sun was not a star until the 4th creation day in that in the New Jerusalem the tree of life will bear fruit yet no light of the sun only the light that the Lord God giveth rev 22:5, etc...
Well John that is what is so great about interpreting the bible. You can interpret it to say what ever you want it to. Eventualy though you have to start dealing with real world facts and evidence. Everyone is more than allowed to live in whatever delusional world they create for themselves, but that doesn't mean that your delusion carries any weight when conversing with others. In other words, it is one thing to make an assertation about your interpretation of the bible, but without any supporting evidence I might as well be conversing with the madman on the buss who talks to himself. Your veiw of our solar system and it's opperation seems to be more in line with those held a thousand years ago. But just out of curiousity how did you get that the lord controls gravity form
revelations 22:5 writes:
There will be no more night, and they will not need any light from lamps or the sun because the Lord God will shine on them. They will rule forever and ever.
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Message 87 of 121 (486166)
10-16-2008 3:08 PM
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10-16-2008 11:00 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
Do you think April 5th 2009 is too soon for the Lucerne to get back to powering up? For the start date of the apocalypse?
I hyave no qualms as to when the "Lucerne" is restarted as for your apacalypse, I don't believe in mythology.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 88 of 121 (486402)
10-20-2008 12:54 AM


I'm leaning that on September 19th 2009 will be the rapture the church folk in heaven paralleling the tribulation happening on Earth with the end of the 6th Great day will be 2016 and the start of the wedding feast being the Seventh Great day of the LORD his ruling and reigning those thousand years with those Saints returning on those white horses.
The bible says no man knows the day nor the hour but warned to be watching cause if your not you will be left behind. right? Is revelation 2:10 for those Saints that are left behind that were not ready like the first 10 days of the last 42 months rev 13:5 given to the beast that is a man rev 13:18. till the Lord reaps the earth mentioned in revelation chapter 14:15-16? If ten days are 514 days (3*360\7=154 + 360= 514 days?) after they are overcome rev 13:7 to being reaped then the bowls of wrath rev chapter 16 is reserved for the tares left behind after this reaping of the earth of these saints left behind matthew 13:30.
Note: The moon being red as in revelation if caused by the folks at CERN by shaking the powers of the heavens sound like its not one of those solar lunar eclipses that other folk are looking at signaling the rapture.
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Message 89 of 121 (501933)
03-08-2009 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bambootiger
08-24-2008 7:14 PM


cross purposes
quote:
How long is a "day" in the first chapter of Genesis?
24 hrs. However, it is a figurative day, not a real one, having no meaning except a spiritual one. The six days of work correspond to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross by which his righteousness is imputed to have faith in that sacrifice. The sabbath (rest) is the rest from seeking to justify oneself by doing good works.
quote:
Does the Bible say how old the earth Is?
No. It doesn't even care about that. It's concerned with evil under the sun, and the ending of evil in individual lives is the purpose of the cross.

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Message 90 of 121 (501935)
03-08-2009 5:53 PM
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03-08-2009 5:34 PM


Re: cross purposes
The six days of work correspond to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross by which his righteousness is imputed to have faith in that sacrifice.
Please explain the logical and theological hoops you jumped through to get to this. I have read this book a few times and I guess I have never seen this linkage before.

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