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Message 347 of 517 (515472)
07-18-2009 9:43 AM

Reply to: Message 344 by slevesque
07-18-2009 12:10 AM

Re: God

Hi slevesque,

slevesque writes:

For the Jews, hearing Jesus say that he was the son of God was equal to hearing him say that he had the very nature of God. Thus why they called it blasphemy.

They would not have called it blasphemy if Jesus was announcing to be an Angel-like divinity, even if he would have claimed to be the only one directly created by God. As long as your not saying you are God, its not blasphemy.

So what about:

John 10:30 I and Father are one.

Jesus did not claim to be a Son of God.

He claimed to be God.

The Jews understood what He meant and took up stones to stone Him.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 359 of 517 (515514)
07-18-2009 1:22 PM

Reply to: Message 356 by Theodoric
07-18-2009 11:06 AM

Re: Bible

Hi Theodoric,

Theodoric writes:

Why do you assume we who do not believe have never read the bible? I have read the bible numerous times and I seem to know more about what it says than most christians I know. I have read it it without the preconceived ideas that christians read it with.
My findings? It is mumbo jumbo.

It is not an assumption. It is a fact.

If you don't believe it makes no difference how many times you have mouthed the words you still have not read it, nor do you understand it's message.

Isn't that what Paul said to the Corintians.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 360 of 517 (515518)
07-18-2009 1:36 PM

Reply to: Message 349 by Peg
07-18-2009 9:57 AM

Re: God

Hi Peg,

Peg writes:

The fact that he said he and the father were 'one' does not mean they were the same person. He also said his disciples could become 'one' with both God and Christ...

Do you realize "one with", and one are two different things?

You may not see it that way but the Jew's present certainly did as they took up stones to stone Him.

Jesus also told Philip:

Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

He told Philip one of the Apostles, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;"

It sure sound's to me like Jesus is saying we are one and the same.

These statements are the reason the Jews killed Jesus because He claimed to be God.

But I am sure your Bible don't say that so I am just talking to everybody else.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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