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Author Topic:   Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy
Jaderis
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Message 42 of 327 (506879)
04-30-2009 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Peg
04-29-2009 5:10 AM


If these 'weeks' were literally seven days each, then the prophecy either failed to be fulfilled or the Messiah came during the Persian Empire's rule and was not identified. So it is evident that the '70 weeks' were symbolic of a much longer time.
So the prophecy failed and now we must invent some new numbers to make it fit?
And it doesn't even fit given certain gospel accounts of the "messiah's" birth?
And that is supposed to convert people?
Why is it necessary to convert weeks into years? To make it fit after the fact, maybe?
And isn't the interpretation of Jesus' death making the ritual sacrifice no longer necessary based on this particular passage an addition after the fact? Did Jesus actually say that it was so? Or did gospel writers/Paul/early church leaders declare it so based on their need to make Jesus fit the prophecy?
Daniel further stated that "After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself." (Da 9:26) Remember that the 'week' is equivalent to 7 years, so 'half' a week equates to 3.5 years. This was the length of Jesus ministry. He was baptized in the autumn of 29CE and crucified at the passover of 33CE - 3 & 1/2 years in total.
How does "being cut off with nothing for himself" equate to being baptized?
It goes on to say that "He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven." And then "In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering."
So where is the confirming of the covenant for "one seven?" What covenant with who?
Which "seven" is being spoken of now?
And what about the end of the passage "And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (NIV I think...)
It seems to me that this "prophecy" tells of an "Anointed One" who is cut off and then the "people of the prince who shall come" (aka not the "anointed one") destroy the city and much misery is to be had and "he" (lowercase he) makes a covenant for seven years and then puts an end to sacrifice and offering (including any offering...monetary or spiritual, so forget the prayers and tithes!!). This sounds to me like an "evil/not anointed" power and not the 3.5 years of ministry to which you attributed the "middle sevens." Especially since the "middle sevens" comes after the messiah has been "cut off with nothing for himself" (that's symbolic of death to me, but, whatever)
If you have a decent Hebrew/Greek translation I would like to read it as I am confused with the multitudinous English translations offered online.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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