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iceage 
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Message 37 of 82 (437575)
11-30-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by fred
11-30-2007 1:55 PM


The LORD is a man of war
fred writes:
True the bible uses human terms to describe God. How else could we understand His abilities.
You mean like:
quote:
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)
I have a difficulty understanding a vision of God that describes God like a super war lord. This is clearly a God made in man's image.

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iceage 
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Message 39 of 82 (437578)
11-30-2007 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Chiroptera
11-30-2007 3:48 PM


Re: The LORD is Man o' War
Also one has to consider that if God made man in his own image then consequently since Man and Chimpanzees are genetically 90% related this would make a monkey out of God - oh boy if there is a God the bible idolaters are going to have to answer for this one.

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Message 42 of 82 (437852)
12-01-2007 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by IamJoseph
12-01-2007 5:21 AM


Re: The LORD is a man of war
iamjoseph writes:
if you talk to a child, you must speak in the level of the child.
Yes but you don't act and think like a child.
iamjoseph writes:
The verse you refer to is stated by a Prophet to the people, as an expression they can be saved by God in a war.
Yes saved by a "God of War" you worship a bronze-age Warlord God.
In the Bible whenever the "spirit of the lord" came over Sampson what happened? Something or someone died.
The OT is the machinations of evolved primates don't confuse it with God - that is blasphemy.

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Message 44 of 82 (438042)
12-02-2007 3:36 PM
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12-01-2007 7:55 PM


Re: The LORD is a man of war
IamJoseph writes:
That man of war is an expression appriopritae in its context, and that the OT is speaking trith about war being part of humanity and history, is not negatable
The expression "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." is not commensurate with creator of the universe. These are visions of god as a hero god, a war-lord God, in the manner of the Greek gods - gods made in our image.
You are correct war is part of humanity and history - it is a human thing. Pugnacity is bred into our bone and marrow. Our closest animal relatives engage in antagonistic behavior that provide clues to our propensity. War is NOT a product or attribute of the divine it is a product of our evolutionary heritage. By understanding this we have the means to overcome. Religion, on the other hand, often sanctifies war and aligns it with the domain of god - blasphemy.

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Message 49 of 82 (438157)
12-03-2007 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by IamJoseph
12-03-2007 2:48 AM


Re: The LORD is a man of war
iaj writes:
The variance with the greek/hellenism is pretty well illustrated in the OT laws, and in fact the basis for many wars with nations rejecting the premise of an invisibale, indescribable and unfathomable God.
This sentence is poorly constructed and I cannot understand what you are trying to say.
iaj writes:
The aspect of 'POWER' is one of the given attributes of the creator...
A supernova is POWER meddling in the tribal affairs of men is trifling.
iaj writes:
...along with such paradigms as TRUTH, MERCY, FORGIVENESS, etc.
The OT defies this description...
quote:
Ezekiel 9:5-7
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."
No mercy and kill them all! The fact that this sounds like the philosophy of Al-Qaeda is no coincidence.
quote:
Jeremiah 51:20-26 "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
A trash talking god? Just like WWF. Now why would the creator of the universe need holy hitmen to carry out his destruction? Is God incapable of doing his destruction?
And one of the more ludicrous rules by the creator of Galaxies...
quote:
(Deuteronomy 25:11-12) If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Let the boys play eh? and show her no pity. These are not the thoughts of God - but men.
iaj writes:
In a war scenario, the usage of God's help is reasnable and not as per the greek.
Greek gods get into the affairs of wars all the time.
iaj writes:
In the dispensing of justice, for example, we can say God is the judge, without alligning this to actual impersonification this factor is correctly an exressionism, denoted by its context of reference being within the realm of justice.
This sentence just does not make any sense.

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