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Author Topic:   Man in gods image... How ?
ringo
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Message 33 of 82 (437490)
11-30-2007 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by fred
11-30-2007 9:55 AM


Hi, fred. How's barney?
Welcome to EvC.
fred writes:
It seems obvious that man being made in Gods image cannot refer to physical attributes, since God is spirit & man is flesh.
Doesn't seem obvious to me at all. God is described as walking, sitting, etc. in the Bible, all fleshly abilities. It seems clear that the authors described God in the fleshly image of man.
Only humans have the ability to knowingly plan for the future.
Ever hear of Aesop's fable of the Grasshopper and the Ant?
Only humans have an inate desire to worship.
Even if that was true, it seems more like an affliction than an "elevation".

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 36 of 82 (437572)
11-30-2007 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by fred
11-30-2007 1:55 PM


fred writes:
True the bible uses human terms to describe God. How else could we understand His abilities. He can do work as with hands etc.
Then that's what "made in His image" means: The only way we can understand/imagine God is in human terms - i.e. as an image of us. When we look in a mirror, we see an image of ourselves. When God looks in a mirror, the image that He sees (as far as we can tell) is us.
The woo-woo "spiritual" blather is unnecessary.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 52 of 82 (438232)
12-03-2007 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
12-03-2007 6:50 AM


Re: The jabberwockian mind of Phat
Phat writes:
Disclaimer: This post is a compilation of the personal beliefs of its author.
I guess make-it-up-as-you-go-along is the standard for the so-called "Bible Study" forum. Who needs actual reference to the Bible when one's beliefs are so firm and consistent?

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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ringo
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Message 55 of 82 (438935)
12-06-2007 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by IamJoseph
12-06-2007 12:16 PM


Re: The jabberwockian mind of Phat
IamJoseph writes:
Grammar was introduced here: this says the most coherent path be taken.
There's nothing coherent in that line. Do you type your posts with an axe?
Please try to write one sentence in plain English.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 58 of 82 (439100)
12-07-2007 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by IamJoseph
12-07-2007 1:52 AM


IamJoseph writes:
quote:
Please try to write one sentence in plain English.
Those are the rules of Grammar. If you check, this faculty reaches its epitomy here, namely in the OT texts. The OT writings are contextual, which must be precedent of chronology in correct grammar.
Clearly, you're well beyond the epitome.
The topic is "Man in God's image". Are you trying to demonstrate that God is a blithering idiot?

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 60 of 82 (439146)
12-07-2007 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by IamJoseph
12-07-2007 1:09 PM


IamJoseph writes:
... there are numerous laws in the OT which clearly dispell any notion of divine personification.
Since this is the Bible Study forum, please cite (and preferably quote) those passages.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 62 of 82 (439167)
12-07-2007 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by IamJoseph
12-07-2007 2:22 PM


In Message 59, you claimed that "there are numerous laws in the OT which clearly dispell any notion of divine personification." While one (1) is technically a number, the English word "numerous" usually implies more than one (1). Several more examples would be appropriate.
And does your one (1) example deal with "man in God's image" at all? We're not talking about graven images made by us. We're talking about how God supposedly graved us.
Give us some quotes on that, please.
Edited by Ringo, : Multiplied "quote".

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 64 of 82 (439225)
12-07-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by IamJoseph
12-07-2007 6:26 PM


IamJoseph writes:
However, there are other commandments and statutes which are 'in parallel' with that, such as 'no man shall see me and live'; 'I am the Lrd - there is no other'; 'Gd is one'- OT;'Gd is not like man [Samuel]; etc.
Give citations please. From the little snippets you've posted, I don't see anything about man in God's image. Two say there is only one God - no mention of man at all. A third says God is not like a man - nothing about images there.
Give citations and {preferably} full quotes.
And try to find something about man in God's image.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 66 of 82 (439330)
12-08-2007 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by IamJoseph
12-08-2007 3:38 AM


You haven't explained what any of those passages has to do with the topic. How does each one relate to God reflected in man?
Isaiah 44 talks about graven images of God. Ezekiel 28 and 1 Samuel 15 talk about man being different from God. What we're looking for here is how man is similar to God.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 68 of 82 (439464)
12-08-2007 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by IamJoseph
12-08-2007 9:16 PM


IamJoseph writes:
Samuel states 'God is not like man' - meaning no image can represent God.
So you're saying that Samuel disagrees with Genesis, since Genesis clearly states that man is an image representing God:
quote:
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 71 of 82 (442602)
12-21-2007 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by LudoRephaim
12-21-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Bird man!
Good to see you again, Ludo. Hope you're doing well.
Ludo writes:
If God's image was meant to be taken as physical resemblance, then God does not look entirely like a modern homo sapiens:
"Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings," Psalm 17:8
A lot of ancient gods had animal bits and pieces. That doesn't change the fact that they were (mostly) made in the image of man. Even the wings are still physical attributes.
Now this is thrown out the window when God th son (Jesus Christ) is considered; I doubt any on here would disagree that he has a human body.
Some would say He "had" a physical body.
And some would say that has nothing to do with God.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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ringo
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Message 73 of 82 (442696)
12-22-2007 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by LudoRephaim
12-22-2007 10:30 AM


Re: Bird man!
LudoRephaim writes:
... both birds and humans would share in different forms of his image, yet Genesis 1 states that only man was made in his image.
No it doesn't. It only mentions man explicitly but it doesn't rule out any other animal being in God's image. It was written by men after all.
But the point is that if you are to take the image of God as being ultra literal, you would have to include both the human and the avian traits....
My point is that the traits we've been discussing are physical. An "image" implies physical traits. I'm just saying that if there is a woo-woo "spiritual" resemblance between man and God, I don't see it in Genesis 1.

Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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