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Author Topic:   Death before the 'Fall'?
ramoss
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Message 49 of 230 (275109)
01-02-2006 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by jaywill
01-02-2006 9:00 AM


Where does it say that Adam EVER ate from the tree of life?
He got kicked out LEAST he eat from the tree of life.

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ramoss
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Message 114 of 230 (285024)
02-08-2006 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jaywill
02-08-2006 10:01 AM


Re: very good
You have to remember that the tree is the 'Knowlege of Good and Evil'. Good and evil existed before, but man was unaware of it.
And you seem to concentrate so much on man knowing evil. Why don't you ever concentrate on the other side of the coin also? Before eating of the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, man did not know GOOD either.
Just think of the power of knowing GOOD.

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ramoss
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Message 117 of 230 (285054)
02-08-2006 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Phat
02-08-2006 4:18 PM


Re: GOODIE Two Shoes
Yes, it is a responsiblity.
It is apparently one that seperates man from (most) animals.
In the Jewish view of the Gensesis story, it is the power to do GOOD that allows a person to be able to live a sanctified life instead of a mundane one.
It is the ability to CHOOSE to do GOOD that allows man to become closer to God, rather than just like the beast in the field.
And good is not a 'personified reality'. Good is an action. At least in the eyes of the Jewish religion. In the Jewish religion, Righthousness is actions. .. but is a state for someone in the Christian religion. Sin in the jewish religion is an action. It is a state that someone is in for the christians (as opposed to the state of grace).
Because of the different starting assumptions about actions, the interpretation of the story of garden of Eden is going to be different. I will also point out that the vast majority of Jews do not believe that the story of adam and eve is literal, but rather figurative. Some will also say that Adam and eve were not really the first people, but rather the first people with SOULS. Implicit in that particular interpretation is that there was death before Adam and Eve knew the difference between good and evil. There had to be death for the warning 'you will surely die' to have any kind of meaning.
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ramoss
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Message 120 of 230 (285166)
02-09-2006 10:04 AM
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02-08-2006 11:55 PM


Re: GOODIE Two Shoes
Could you please translate what you are asking?
It is unclear to me.

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ramoss
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Message 137 of 230 (286045)
02-12-2006 10:04 PM
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02-12-2006 9:18 PM


Adam might have "surely died", but the quote wsa 'On tht day you will surely die"
He lived quite a long time after that,according to the story.

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