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Coragyps

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Message 12 of 230 (274407)
12-31-2005 1:06 PM

Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
12-31-2005 12:43 AM

Re: A few scripture references

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

He ate. He didn't die in that day. Doesn't that bug you?

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Message 20 of 230 (274490)
12-31-2005 7:14 PM

As far as plants not being "alive" Biblically, there's a pretty easy out in the Noah story: all N had to take on the ark were things "with the breath of life in their nostrils." Plants have stomata, not nostrils, so they aren't alive according to this myth. 'Course, insects don't have nostrils either, but hey, ancient Hebrews didn't have magnifying glasses.

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Message 127 of 230 (285949)
02-12-2006 9:22 AM

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02-12-2006 6:18 AM

Can you point to another book which in 10 chapters of typical biblical length tells us these things:
1.) The origin of the universe
2.) The origin of matter
3.) The origin of life on the earth
4.) The origin of man
5.) The purpose of man’s creation
6.) The origin of man’s disharmony with the Divine Creator
7.) The origin of marriage
8.) The names and history of the first human beings
9.) The history of the first religion
10.) The history of the first murderer
11.) The history of the first human city
12.) The origin of industry
13.) The origin of music
14.) The origin of shepherding
15.) The events causing world judgement
16.) The events constituting salvation from world judgement
17.) The origin of human government
18.) The origin of the spread of human being across the earth.

It's almost equally incredible that, where any independent verification is available, the Bible gets every one of these wrong! Really! We have flutes from 22,000 BC Europe, evidence of sheepherding at the earliest known city from 11,000 years ago in Turkey....we have meteorites that are 4.56 billion years old by four independent methods of dating. I could write ten chapters with those eighteen items included, and I'd even try to only have a single origin for mankind in there.

It's not "astonishing" at all: it's just sloppy editing of folktales from here and there into a single story the was preserved because it was "holy."

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Message 136 of 230 (286044)
02-12-2006 9:52 PM

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02-12-2006 9:18 PM

It simply says that he would surely die.

It DOES NOT "simply" say that - you quoted it YOURSELF: "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." It's your book, man! Not mine! Try to pay attention!

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