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Raphael Member (Idle past 489 days)  Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: |
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Raphael Member (Idle past 489 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: |
Oi...
Ringo said: If I talked about a chair as if it was a person, that would be personification. If I talk about a person, that is not personification. Exactly. And nowhere in the bible does it talk of Satan as an inanimate object. You can assume it's personification,as you can with any other work of literature.You can take any statement that says "so and so did this" or "so and so did that" and say it's personification. But that doesn't MAKE it personification. It's just delusion.
And that's what personification is - talking about a non-person as if it was a person, describing a non-entity as if it was an entity. Exactly. And nowhere is Satan's name used in such a way.
Why wouldn't you? As I already said, you can't love your neighbour as yourself unless you do love yourself - and you can't love yourself unless you sympathize with yourself. You don't need to sympathize with it to understand it. You struggle with it every day. The Allies did not need to "Sympathize" with the Axis in order to understand them.
It has nothing to do with whether or not something is "bad". It's about understanding our potential to do bad things. If you don't understand that you're capable of doing bad things, you can't prevent yourself from doing them. If you blame all the bad things that you do on the boogey man, you can't stop yourself from doing them. Yes. We all understand our potential to do evil. And I'm not blaming some "boogy man" for my decisions. There is no cloven-hoofed red-horned character. There IS an enemy who prowls like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
You can't understand without sympathy and/or empathy. Sympathy: feeling of loyalty : tendency to favor or support. Empathy:the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner. Sympathy, no. empathy, sure. there is a difference. Once again, sympathy isn't needed to understand things. I do not need to sympathize with my homework to understand it.
You're taking the affirmative side - that there's some spooky entity named "Satan" who causes all the evil in the world. The onus is on you to provide positive evidence. Satan does not cause all the evil in the world. Humans do. Satan just says "why don't you do this?" and the humans give into temptation. Maybe we are talking about a different Satan. The one i know is the Deceiver, the Tempter, not "the one who made me do it".
I've made my case on a number of Biblical principles. God is all-powerful and can not have a powerful enemy. We are responsible for our own sins and we will be judged according to our behaviour. If you have problems with my position, be specific. Don't just say, "Nuh uh." Yes God is omnipotent, but I'm not suggesting that He has an enemy because of lack of power. I'm suggesting that the enemy He has can be destroyed if chosen, but God doesn't choose to for one reason: He doesn't want anyone to serve Him out of fear. This is off topic so if you want to talk more in depth about this, come to chat or start a thread. Yes we are responsible for our own sins. Once again i think we are talking about two different Satan, mine isn't the "devil made me do it" Satan. He just tempts, and YOU choose weather or not to listen.
I couldn't care less whether or not you agree with me. If you think you can "prove" anything with scripture, such as a spooky satanic entity hiding under your bed, feel free to do so. I'm sorry you feel that way Ringo, was beginning to like you  Take any biblical scripture about Satan and ill do so.
I guess you're doomed to a life of "the Devil made me do it". The Devil doesn't make anyone do anything. That's our responsibility, as you stated earlier. Truth is still Truth, Weather One or a Thousand People believe it.
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