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kuresu
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Message 224 of 307 (350822)
09-20-2006 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by robinrohan
09-20-2006 8:22 PM


Re: You are doing it yet again Robin.
if you don't know what death is, how could that be a threat?
and I'm right, there was no death before they were expelled from the garden of eden, they had no knowledge of it. I mean for crying out loud they didn't know they were buck naked (until they ate of the tree, and gained knowledge of good and bad). How could they even comprehend death?

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kuresu
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Message 229 of 307 (350837)
09-20-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by robinrohan
09-20-2006 9:10 PM


Re: Jar
can beasts communicate? Ask the dolphin, whale, wolf, lion packs. What are the bird and whale songs? What are the grunts of walruses?
Just because we can't understand them does not mean that they cannot talk or communicate.

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Message 243 of 307 (350995)
09-21-2006 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 11:27 AM


I got it, finally.
Jar is also saying that their being punished makes no sense in that it makes God out to be a jerk, for Adam and Eve could not know that they should not disobey God
Wrong. You still don't get it. You really are as thick as a brick. Jar is saying that Adam and Eve were punished. The punishment--not being able to eat of the Tree of Life. Jar says they were punished. Not that the punishment doesn't make sense, but that your interpretation of the punishment doesn't make sense. as percy said, sheesh.

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kuresu
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Message 246 of 307 (351007)
09-21-2006 12:10 PM
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09-21-2006 12:04 PM


seeing as how I got the punishment wrong, no big deal. my point is, Robin's still not got--Jar does think A and E were punished. I honestly don't care if it makes God out to be a jerk (I was just trying to explain what Jar is saying--got it wrong, but for the critical part).
God did punish A and E--no one doubts this, including Jar. (one last time for robin)

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kuresu
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Message 250 of 307 (351014)
09-21-2006 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 12:28 PM


but you have to admit--jar does think they were punished (and he ain't bein' coy or cryptic on that point)

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kuresu
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Message 254 of 307 (351022)
09-21-2006 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 12:40 PM


past doesn't matter
agree or disagree:
Jar thinks that A and E were punished

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kuresu
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Message 273 of 307 (351052)
09-21-2006 1:52 PM


Calling on Robin
agree or disagree:
Jar thinks that A and E were punished.
please don't evade (the cops might come then, and I'd hate to see you fined for attempted evasion)

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kuresu
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Message 297 of 307 (351103)
09-21-2006 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Faith
09-21-2006 2:46 PM


Re: : Calling on Robin
don't you just love a symbolic reading of the Bible? seeing as how you interpreted the symbols and what they mean, rather than sticking to a literal reading of it. Or is this all literal? (it doesn't look like that to me, but then, I could have misinterpreted what you said)

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kuresu
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Message 303 of 307 (351111)
09-21-2006 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 3:29 PM


Re: God = Jerk?
before this gets closed
why shouldn't jar make his religion fit to this new time?
a religion that is statically stuck in the past is a dead one.
a religion that can adapt and respond to new issues and problems without cracking it's shell is a powerful one indeed.
I think you just happen to hate that the world is changing, and as such, are having a violent knee-jerk reaction to what jar is logically doing.

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