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mjfloresta
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Message 3 of 307 (349357)
09-15-2006 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminFaith
09-15-2006 3:27 PM


I think you've summed things up pretty neatly. I would just point out one thing, namely, that I (nor I dare say, any other "fundamentalist") would not disagree that God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden in part to keep them from the Tree of Life.
Genesis 4:23-24 - So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubin and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
So these verses explain that two reasons God kicked Adam out of the Garden were: to work the ground and to prevent access to the tree of life.
However, to claim this as the only, or the main purpose behind Adam's exulsion from the Garden is to deny the plain reading of the prior text which you posted.

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Message 7 of 307 (349365)
09-15-2006 4:08 PM
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09-15-2006 4:03 PM


We know it didn't happen
Are you willing to stake your life on that?

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mjfloresta
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Message 10 of 307 (349370)
09-15-2006 4:12 PM
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09-15-2006 4:03 PM


Let's suppose for a minute that Genesis was a fictional novel written by a writer of fiction - pick whoever you want, Shakespeare, Homer, Mark Twain. How would the genre of writing change how you read the text?
When Mark Twain writes about Huck Finn rafting down the mississippi river, do you think to yourself, hmm.. this is a work of fiction, therefore Mark Twain can't be saying that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi - It must be an allusion to life. What forces that interpretation, whether the text is fiction or historical?

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mjfloresta
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Message 12 of 307 (349374)
09-15-2006 4:15 PM
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09-15-2006 4:12 PM


If I lose
If I lose, and the Bible is untrue, I'll go the same place as everyone else
What if you're wrong?

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mjfloresta
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Message 13 of 307 (349375)
09-15-2006 4:17 PM
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09-15-2006 4:15 PM


Re: If I lose
I apologize for digressing - this post is supposed to be about the meaning of the Genesis text.

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mjfloresta
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Message 15 of 307 (349377)
09-15-2006 4:20 PM
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09-15-2006 4:17 PM


Genesis 1:1 - In the beggining God created the Heavens and the Earth
That would seem to double as both an historical account and a causative explanation.

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mjfloresta
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Message 18 of 307 (349383)
09-15-2006 4:28 PM
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09-15-2006 4:23 PM


... this is a work of fiction, therefore Mark Twain can't be saying that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi - It must be an allusion to life.
Are you saying that Huck Finn isn't an allusion to life?
It might in fact be - if you can read that into the text and if you have evidence that the author intended it that way. None of that changes the first meaning that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi.
You're using a supposed allegorical understanding of the Genesis text to REPLACE the plain meaning of the text.
Edited by AdminJar, : fix broke quotebox

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mjfloresta
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Message 22 of 307 (349389)
09-15-2006 4:32 PM
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09-15-2006 4:28 PM


Treasure Island claims to be a historical narrative too
Excuse me? Where do you get that?
I'm not interested in what the story claims to be.
What evidence do you have to indicate that the authors of Genesis intended the Adam and Eve story to be taken historically?
How can what the story claims to be and what the authors intend be different things?

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