Scrutinizing biblical translations - should we even bother?

in hebrew bibles? yes.in christian/english bibles? depends on the translation. it usually shows up in exodus, regardless, when god introduces himself to moses. in most older translations, it'll be rendered "jehovah" but this is wrong for a number of reasons (we can go into that later, if you wish). in newer translations, it'll probably be rendered "yahweh" or YHWH or the four hebrew letters.

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I would like to get some of these bibles then. Could you give me some names to go one. Also is the Tanakh a bible?PS. I have heard other complaints on the name Jehovah before, however, based on my own research it seems more of a translation issue than deliberate biblical tampering. Whatever the case, there seems to be no way to properly translate God's name in English, since all the leads I followed lead to a series of arguments.

One possibility is J.N. Darby's "New Translation". He was a very careful and consistent translator; I believe he ALWAYS rendered the Hebrew YHWH as "Jehovah". The translation is old enough that it is in the public domain, so should be downloadable. Yes (OT only); published by the JPS (Jewish Publication Society) As Arach said, the divine name YHWH (or JHWH) is never pronounced by Jews. Instead, they substitute the word "Adonai" ("Lord"). So the consonants for YHWH in the Hebrew Bible were voweled with the vowels for "Adonai", since that's what was spoken. These vowels were never meant to be used with the consonants YHWH, but if they are, the resulting word sounds something like "Jehovah". I believe this is the origin of the word.

Thank you for that information. I will make arrangements to add those bibles to my collection.

in hebrew? i use mechon-mamre's parallel version with the old JPS translation. i'm currently looking for a print version with the new JPS translation, but the bookstores only seem to carry soft-cover. for now, i have the soncino chumash. " or "TaNaKh" is an acronym for torah, nevi'im, kethuvim. the torah, you should know. nevi'im is the book of the prophets, and kethuvim is other assorted writing. rather than spell out the contents of what books are in what, i've just linked to the wikipedia pages which can list them. don't want to take up too much space on a short post."tanakh" is then basically the jewish word for "bible" or rather "old testament." the contents are the same as the christian old testament, only in a different (and imho, more coherent) order. it's actually a little of both. the masoretic scribes gave the name of the lord, the vowels of , rendering or "yahovah." the reader is supposed to recognize that the vowels are all wrong (the "o" point before the vav? wtf) and remember to say adonai instead of yahweh. this is an intentional tampering. that germanic translators rendered it literally was a genuine mistake. and that english readers pronounce the germanic "jah" with a hard J sound instead of the correct "yah" is also a genuine mistake. no, there definitely is a correct way. reading hebrew without vowels is actually very intuitive and much easier than your average english reader would suspect. this is because hebrew letters are not so much consonants as they are syllables.in any case, is just a special tense of the verb —, l'hyot or "to be." the past tense, hayah is one of the most common words in the hebrew language. the present tense is the same, but is not used. the commanding sense, yehey is the word by which god creates everything in genesis 1.the trick to god's name is actually not that it's all consonant, but rather that it's all vowels. yud, hey, and vav all double as "semi-vowels" that often do not have their own consonantal sound, depending on placement in the word. for instance, a hey at the end of the word is always "ahh" or "ehh" as opposed the more obvious "ha." take the holiday coming up, , rosh ha-shanah. the hey at the end of the word makes an "ah" sound, but the one at the beginning makes a "ha" sound. same with yud, and the beginning it's a "ya" sound, in the middle, it functions more like the letter I. vav is really weird, often (but not always!) taking on the "oh" or "oo" sound in the middle of the word.so is two (or three) syllables. makes a "yah" sound, makes a "hu" sound, and makes an "eh" sound. so, "yahueh." we also the name in a bunch of other common names, like yeshayahu or "isaiah." if you look in the bible, you'll see a lot of names either ending "-yahu" or beginning "yaho-" and these are all derived from the name of god. including jesus's hebrew name.

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Fascinating information.I don't know why but the thought of knowing God's name has become somewhat of a fixation for me. It comes across as a sort of hidden treasure considering it was all but forgotten for so many biblical translations. My own work has focused around the Latin and Greek translations. However, to my disappointment both the Vulgate and Septuagint did not support God's name.On the other hand I did find a very intriguing German bible by Martin Luther with God's name in it, however, German has proven to be somewhat of a challenge to translate and progress has been very slow.I appreciate your information also.

translations are either aware of the custom of avoiding god's name and respect it, or mistranslate it. or sometimes both, which i find really curious.

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pbee,check out the below link.http://EvC Forum: Inerrant Bible Manuscripts? -->EvC Forum: Inerrant Bible Manuscripts?

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Thanks
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To: anglardMt 24.35: "The Heaven (Governemnt of Israel) and the Earth (Nation of Israel) will pass away, but the words of Me, no, wil not pass away."This is also true of the OT.Dan 2.44: "And in days of Her (H) of them (N) (NWHYMWYBW), that the kings of them, God of Her, He will raise the Heaven (Government) of kingdom of them, which to ever she will not be destroyed, and kingdom of her to people other them she will not be left, and she will consume breaking all of god of them, and being (HYHW), the kingdoms standing to the evers."Now then we need Rational Reasoning; or Logic.A) There is no kingdom without a King.
B) There is no kingdom without laws.
C) So then, "kingdom to ever" = "law to ever."Iesous added: "words of Me not pass away."Now then, are you ready?The intelligent men of earth have always known that all translations
(except possibly mine) are trash and lies against the Living God.But -- the manuscripts are preserved (though contaminated).The Masoretic Text has an estimated 100,000 lies in it.
The KLJV has an estimated 110,000 lies in it (NT added).
The name of the Gods are banned in all English Bible translations.
The name of (plural) Gods is banned in al English translations of Genesis 1.1.The Solution:A) We strip all the "fake Jewish vowels" from the Masoretic Text, and we have the purest manuscript.
B) Hundreds of single Hebrew words have 50+ and 25+ definitions in the KJV. Johnny-come-lately merely copied the Jewish and KJV lies; but did not translate anything.
C) I have been working on this translating for the past 5 years.
D) 20 years before that I labored on Bible interpretation.Our Example:In 1823, Alexander Campbell and associates, were banded together on the axiom that, "No church is right!"
The churches did not even have "dipping" right at that time.
A) Most preferred the Pope's, "Infant Sprinkling" toIesous' "Dipping."
B) The Baptist Church, and other "Dippers" proclaimed boldy that it was not for "forgiveness of sins."
C) Campbell piblished, "The Living Oracles," a NT with "immersion" for "baptism."
D) A new religion was born! Both errors were condemned.Our Duty:A) Teach that, "All churches are wrong!"
B) Teach that "All Bible translations are wrong!"
C) Publish a new Bible translation.
D) A new religion will be born!NOTE: I already have a mini-Bible of Gensis 1-5; Ecclesiastes, Joel, Matthhew, Romans, 1John, Revelation; and selected chapters, such as Eze 38 & 39, Isa 11, 1Cor 13.The Jews and the Roman Catholics and the other Churches are the enemy. The words, "church, preach, preacher" are not in the Bible.The names of the Gods are not in the Bible translations.sl33w

The New Testament "hell" is given for gehenna a compound of ge and henna. It was a descriptive term applied to the ever burning city dump where the bodies of criminals were disposed. Gehenna may be interpreted "Scorched Earth," and as such was a very real threat to those who rebelled against authority. In a time when there was no distinct separation of Church and State, the place of "eternal fire" and the threat of ending up there were real enough. The truth of it should inspire us to fight for the Liberty we derive from our separation of Church and State. The fact that those "religious enterprises" continue to exist, represents a threat to all Americans.The rest of what you say is right on, I think, and I salute you for saying it.

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