Parables 101

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His membership was bought by Grace...not works.

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The man asked "What good thing must I do to get eternal life?
Jesus gave him the list of things to do.
Then he added if the man wanted to be perfect to sell all and he would have treasures in heaven.These are all actions, works, things that can be done.Jesus hadn't been crucified yet, so the supposed debt had not been paid yet. Nothing was bought.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Assuming I have purchased my lucky underpants and not taken them off you to have them for myself, coveting does not apply. Assuming I need the things I have purchased to live life reasonably up-to-date, coveting does not apply again.
But if I have all the necessities of life, including a useful ass, but still have my eye on my neighbors ass, then coveting applies.
The love God and your neighbor as yourself ordinance comprises all ten commandments. I assume your response refers to this.

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But if I have all the necessities of life, including a useful ass, but still have my eye on my neighbors ass, then coveting applies.

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Not necessarily. This dogma is frequently used to justify privbate property, itself extracted by violence. This is a reactionary dictum against the poor, who may seek to reposses those things of which they have been disapropriated by the wealthy.

I gotcha, I think.
Of course, well, if you say it, but you see, uh, well.
Thanks, I think.
But for really and surely, thank you for your response.

Could you quote the parable that condems private property? Jesus says
you will always have the poor. If you can't do the bible quote, then you can explain in your own words why property=violence. How can one reposess what they did not have?

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Jesus says you will always have the poor.

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I'm well aware of that. It is frequently cited as justification for grossly disparate levels of wealth, or for the futility of anti-poverty programmes. Like the commandment about the ox, its is a statement of oppression.

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If you can't do the bible quote, then you can explain in your own words why property=violence. How can one reposess what they did not have?

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Thucydides says, "As piracy indcreased and capital reserves came into being..." The Israelites, like other local peoples, were all about killing their neighbouring tribes, enslaving their women and children, stealing their chattels and slaughtering their males. So, having stolen an ox from the Moabites by violence, they certainly do not want any Moabite slaves coveting that ox.This is religion used to justify theft and disapropriation by force.This message has been edited by contracycle, 10-29-2004 08:13 AM

Are you referring to The History of the Peloponnesian War? Big book, got a page number?But this is is a complete right turn off topic, so if you want to start a thread about private property I'm sure you'll get a lot of input.

Here is a Parable that seems rather simple. Now if "seed" equals wisdom, what type of wisdom do you think that Jesus wants us to have?

Out of curiosity, why did you stop at verse 9 and equate the seeds with wisdom? The seed is equated with the word, just as it is in Mark and Luke.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

well, the word is wisdom.

The parable deals with the four types of hearers and their response to the message received.Seed on Path = When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart.Seed on Rock = is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.Seed among Thorns = is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.Seed on Good Soil = is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. (Luke) stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.What is your teaching on wisdom?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Hi, purpledawn! First off, thank you for summing up the Biblical teaching that Jesus Himself said. I do not disagree with the Parable at all! See, there are two basic origins of wisdom. Either it comes from God Himself, or our own experience, feelings, thoughts, and logic deduce it. A wise man can still be a scientist who knows and tests natural law. The beginning? Perhaps the origin of true wisdom. Even the O.T. showed a God who never had vengence on anyone who loved Him. In many cases, it was either kill or be killed for Israel. If Israel had "turned the other cheek" they may have made it to Heaven as a people, but they would be gone. A footnote. For whatever reason, God wanted Israel around for times such as these today. God deals with people differently today because of the reality of Grace and of Jesus Christ. The only way that God could have dealt with people without allowing them to be killed would have been to change them. The people who were slaughtered by Israel were reprobate. There was simply no chance of them ever receiving the love of God by loving Israel.

That's your teaching on wisdom?How does the parable fit into that scenerio?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Receiving the Word of God is receiving the Spirit of God. Receiving the Word is more than reading a good philosophy...it is allowing Gods Spirit to renew you and allowing you to relate to Him on a personal level as your source of wisdom.

You said you were going to treat this as a Bible Study.Jesus was very clear how the parable described the different types of hearing.I do not understand how your thoughts on wisdom are associated with the parable.How does the parable help me to visualize your teaching on wisdom?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.