Old Laws Still Valid?

The only law that really makes an eternal difference in what you believe is this one:"The soul the sins will die" (Ezekiel 18:4).The only question that really matters is this one:What will you do with your sin?If your answer is that you will try to live and do better and not sin so much, I wish you all the best when you stand before the Lord on judgment day.Yes, one of us "ain't got a clue what the Biblical Truth is."

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

You just can't get even close to being on topic can you?The topic is NOT whether or not I am saved. In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Old Laws Still Valid?"Back in Message 96 I listed a bunch of the Old Laws. If you think they are still valid, then we still are waiting for you to present your case.In addition, you cannot seem to even quote the Bible honestly. You said... When actually Ezekiel 18:4 is It is also part of a narrative and refers is a discussion on the sins of the father being passed to the son.Look at Ezekiel 18:19-20 and the end of Ezekiel 18... It says exactly what I have been saying. It says try to do right, try not to do wrong, acknowledge where you have failed and try to do better in the future.It says you will be judged based on what YOU do.It says that there is no Original Sin.Read the Bible for a change John10:10 and don't just swallow the Proof Texts without reading the rest.For those who would like to read all of Ezekiel 18 to see that it is talking about the Sins of the Father Not being passed to the Child, it is at this link.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The trouble is that you haven't given any scripture - sum, difference, product or quotient - to back up your own empty opinions.We are discussing the law here. Jesus said that the whole law hangs on loving God and loving your neighbour as yourself. The SUM of that truth is that no law is valid unless it effects your neighbour.Your opinions about being "born again" are utterly irrelevant. That's why I brought up the Good Samaritan.When Jesus was asked, "Who is my neighbour?", He replied with the parable of the Good Smaritan. The Samaritan was not a Christian by your definition, was not "born again" by your definition, he did "reject the blood of Jesus", his sins were not "covered".... He was everything you look down on, just as he was everything the Jews looked down on.Yet he was the one that Jesus used as an example of what we should do. "Go ye and do likewise."The fact that he was not a Christian was irrelevant. The fact that he was not "born again" was irrelevant. The fact that he "rejected the blood of Jesus" was irrelevant. The fact that his sins weren't "covered" was irrelevant.The only relevant factor in the story was what he did. He did what Jesus wanted him to do - what Jesus wants us to do. He fulfilled the law by doing unto others as he would have wanted them to do unto him.The story illustrates very clearly that the law is relevant only in how we apply it to our fellow man.

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Yes, Ezekiel 18 is about the sins of the father not being passed to the child. But it is also about sin - “The soul who sins is the one who will die” (verse 20). Your solution is to “try to do right, try not to do wrong, acknowledge where you have failed and try to do better in the future.” This solution is the solution of all the other religions of the world, except one - Christianity. Your solution won’t cut it on judgment day. Your name is not written into the Lamb’s book of eternal life based on enough good works. Your name is written into the Lamb’s book of eternal life based on having your sins covered by Jesus’ shed blood on Calvary’s cross and being “born again” by God’s Spirit. The Christian life is first and foremost BEING, then you can move on to DOING. The true Christian will be judged for his works so that he may or may not receive rewards in the eternal life to come, not so that he will be punished. The unbeliever who does NOT have his sins covered by Jesus’ shed blood on Calvary’s cross will be judged by the Lord not for rewards, but for degrees of punishment, eternally separated from God.It’s as simple and as difficult as that.

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

Ps 119:160 "The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting."If my “opinions” about being “born again” are irrelevant, so also are the words of Jesus in John 3:3-7. I’ll take His words over yours any day.

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

Again, you are simply pulling stuff out of context and so missing what Ezekiel 18 is all about. I provided the pertinent quotes in Message 242 but you still did not address them. Here it is again.Ezekiel 18:30-32 It says what we must do. Repent it says. Turn away from all your offenses. Rid your self of all the offenses you have committed.That is what I have been saying all along.Try to do what is right and try not to do what is wrong. When you fail, honestly acknowledge those failings and try to do better in the future. Okay. You are free to believe anything you want.The rest of your post is more unimportant yada, yada stuff.Do you want to at least try to address the topic?Back in Message 96 I presented a list of Old Laws that are no longer valid. I notice we are now up to nearly 250 posts and still no one has tried to show why they should still be valid. Instead or posting jabberwocky and irrelevant nonsense, would you like to try to address the topic?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Your opinions about being "born again" are certainly irrelevant in this thread, since it's about the law. Kindly say something about the topic for once, will ya? But I've been quoting Jesus' words and you've been ignoring them.Jesus used the example of the Good Samaritan. The Samaritan was not "born again", yet Jesus told us what he did and He told us to go and do likewise. Born again or not, the Samaritan is our example.So, forget your dogma for a minute and think about the topic.What was the importance of the Samaritan's example? What did he do that Jesus encourages us to do? How does that relate to the notion of iron-clad Old Testament laws?

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Can I please ask you what denomination you belong to? I have never in my life heard such phantasmagorical lingo as this; That is a bunch of ...something. I will chalk it up to another one of the faith vs works non-arguments.But this; is quite strange. It sounds again like you are condemning all good people who have never heard of Jesus.

I'm afraid that's fairly standard fundie phantasmagory.

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So back away from that catfish fillet, or you're gonna BURN, 10:10!This is better than the county fair!

You write,Can I please ask you what denomination you belong to? I have never in my life heard such phantasmagorical lingo as this.I belong to the ONE TRUE CHURCH - THE BODY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.1 Cor 12:12-13 "For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit."

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

And they will be judged for levels of punishment being eternally seperated from God?Or, Romans 2:26 If the un 'born again' keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his 'unborn' be counted as 'born'?

What a coincidence. So do I.All puns aside I don't want to mock you at all. I have not ever heard much about those levels of judgement you mentioned though.

I didn't say it made sense.

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I hope not. But only because we hold dear the very Law this thread is about. Well, some of us...You did expose some ignorance of the Old Testament on my part. I have an infinite amount of learning to do. But You missed the point I tried to make in my last post.I said in my previous post, that many of these cultures were Debauched. And not in modern terms, but in the kind of ancient terms that Anglagard, jar, and others used in another thread to indicate humanities advances in moral civility, rather than a decrease. Advances given to us by the Jewish Law as it became better understood.But in that sense, they were very correct about our moral advances in that catagory.I refer back to my previous post in terms of God's Justice (irrespective of our ability to understand). And ultimately His Mercy, since many of these women and female children were incorporated into God's own moral nation to become civil rather than the way they would have grown by the programming of their native culture.There are some conquests that are righteous in nature you know? If degenerate people's refuse to conform after diplomacy fails, then what would you do with them? Left to live, they will infect your children since evil is a desease that preys upon and derives it's pleasure from having pwer over another.Some hostilities and defiance are absolute, because sin when matured, is absolute! They will always use negotiations to their favor as is happening now with Iran.This is very difficult to understand and a great posture point for you, if you wish to discredit the scriptures as opposed to understand them. I don't know your intentions, but I sense that they are less than sympathetic. Appearently, none that you intend to acknowledge.As for the Law (since we are meandering near the limits of the topic of this thread)...I don't think it is our violation of the Law that is unforgiveable by God's Mercy. If the Bible is true, He showed how far He was willing to go to satisfy that debt. The severe and blasphemous sin so worthy of the Wrath that God has displayed at times and promises is coming again, is our refusal to accept the terms of peace He offers.At that point, it is not our sin that is the issue, but the fact that we intend to keep it. The fact that we refuse to give up our debauchery. That is the heart of rebellion, and God is the enemy not because He is unreasonable, but because we refuse to be reasoned with.We end up being the one's who say it's our way or the highway. Hell is just the place we created for our 'selves'. My point precisely.ps. You might want to read Romans 1

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