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Author Topic:   fulfilled prophecy - specific examples.
anglagard
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Message 160 of 262 (444594)
12-30-2007 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by IamJoseph
12-29-2007 11:51 PM


Fraudulent Quotes
IAJ writes:
There has been no quote by me which was not correct or unproven in this forum.
This one is, as you have not presented a citation and I can't find it either, through the internet or specialized library databases. I feel that a quote of this magnitude from someone a famous as Churchill would have most likely showed up somewhere.
This is what I mean - there is no acknowledgement. The Churchill quote is also correct, as was that of the Pope.
It seems to me that most everyone else on this forum is willing to provide sources when asked. You are the only one demanding special rights to quote without ever providing a citation.
Are you asserting that you and you alone are 'above the rules?'

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 162 of 262 (444600)
12-30-2007 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Vacate
12-30-2007 12:18 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
Vacate in regard to IAJ writes:
Based upon your previous posts regarding this issue its likely safe to conclude that your Churchill quote is in fact not a quote. The Pope Quote by your own admission is not a quote.
Oh, I see. So apparently IAJ is presenting things in semi-quotation marks as though they were quotes to be deceptive and maintain plausible (at least to him) deniability.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Message 165 of 262 (444612)
12-30-2007 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 12:46 AM


Re: Fraudulent Quotes
IAJ writes:
You want to take your heading of fraud back?
No, because you semi-quoted Churchill as stating verbatim:
'JEWS BELONG IN PALESTINE BY THEIR RIGHTS, NOT THEIR SUFFERINGS' - Churchill.
Your source states verbatim:
quote:
But there, at least, it was clear that the Jewish community was "in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance," as Winston Churchill underscored at the time.
Even if this was a direct quote instead of a paraphrase, it is both incomplete and not stating exactly the same concept.
Notice the difference between "Jews belong in Palestine by their rights, not on sufferings" and "the Jewish community was 'in Palestine as of right, not on sufferance.'" The first implies support due to some universal rule concerning Jewish rights while the second implies allowing the Jewish community to remain in Palestine unmolested because it is the right thing to do, presumably based upon their long history of being in the area.
'Belong' does not mean 'in.' What are 'rights' is not what is 'right.' What is 'suffering' is not 'sufferance.' Also, and perhaps most importantly, the 'Jewish community' already in Palestine is not the same as all Jews worldwide. Do you need a dictionary?
You misquoted, and conflated two sentences with two different meanings. Whether this is done with intent to deceive is open to conjecture.
Edited by anglagard, : clarity concerning the difference between Jew and Jewish community

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 167 of 262 (444614)
12-30-2007 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 12:34 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
IAJ writes:
I will post the churchill link - to embarrasss the one who demanded this.
The embarrassment is all yours.
BTW - Churchill is capitalized and it's embarrass, not embarrasss. Please consider using Firefox or Google for spelling, or as I suggested, a dictionary, for both proper spelling and usage. (Ex. sufferance vs. suffering *snicker*)

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 172 of 262 (444628)
12-30-2007 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by IamJoseph
12-30-2007 2:54 AM


Re: Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
IAJ writes:
And what, pray tell, did you understand of Churchill's quote - seeing you pointed to my usage of it as as fraudulent?
The fraudulent part is implying this was a direct quote from Churchill and then replacing what he may have actually said with a false interpretation.
My interpretation is in Message 165.
Your problems with plagiarism, spelling, reading comprehension, vocabulary deficiencies, and proper English usage have been noted. The best way to solve such problems involve learning, not self-righteousness.
My suggestion is to hit the books and/or take English composition classes at a real (secular) college and drop this off-topic diversion.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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