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jar
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Message 190 of 262 (445107)
01-01-2008 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by IamJoseph
01-01-2008 12:03 AM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
The UN was called the League of nations previously.
I'm sorry but that is yet another simply false statement.
The balfour dec was enshrined in the new UN: when Jordan was created, the UN first had to recognise the Balfour mandate, else Jordan could not be extricated from Palestine.
I'm sorry but that is yet ANOTHER simply false statement. Jordan existed as did Palestine as Military districts even under the Ottomans and the Nation of Jordan was created by the British, not the UN.
Both home and homeland have the same meaning here, and have a sovereign state meaning in its context.
No, the Balfour Declaration uses words VERY carefully. The terms were chosen to specifically avoid promising the Jews a Nation State.
If you really would like to learn some of the actual history involved I suggest you stop trying to bullshit folk that might actually know a little of the history and read the So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?.

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jar
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Message 192 of 262 (445128)
01-01-2008 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by IamJoseph
01-01-2008 9:23 AM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
IaJ, even your own sources show that you are simply stating more falsehoods.
Your sources says:
quote:
United Nations History
Origins
The earliest concrete plan for the formation of a new world organization was begun under the aegis of the U.S. State Department late in 1939. The name United Nations was coined by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1941 to describe the countries fighting against the Axis. It was first used officially on Jan. 1, 1942, when 26 states joined in the Declaration by the United Nations, pledging themselves to continue their joint war effort and not to make peace separately. The need for an international organization to replace the League of Nations was first stated officially on Oct. 30, 1943, in the Moscow Declaration, issued by China, Great Britain, the United States, and the USSR.
Note the underlined portion.
You on the other hand stated:
The UN was called the League of nations previously.
The UN was NOT called the League of Nations. They are two separate creations.
IaJ, how can anyone be expected to believe any of your nonsense about fulfilled prophecy when you cannot even get the basic facts of current history straight?

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jar
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Message 195 of 262 (445262)
01-01-2008 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by jaywill
01-01-2008 4:37 PM


Topic
The topic, in case you missed it, is "fulfilled prophecy - specific examples."
Still waiting for some.
Do you have anything on topic?

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Message 198 of 262 (445326)
01-01-2008 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by IamJoseph
01-01-2008 7:21 PM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
That a new name and entity was created does not mean there was no replacement of the same office:
Bullshit IaJ. The League of Nations and the United Nations are two entirely separate, totally differently structured organizations.
I also pointed to you, the UN had to ratify the Balfour which was deposited with the League as a cntinuation of the its mandate.
Bullshit Iaj. The Balfour Declaration was an internal British Document and if you had bothered to read the thread I linked for you you would know that there were also other equally valid British and even International Documents that DID promise the Arabs a Nation State (not simply a national home) in the same area.
The League was shut down because of its horrific corruption; the same occurs with the UN and EU and Islamic league today.
Bullshit IaJ. The League failed because it was ineffective.
Quit misrepresenting truth.

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jar
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Message 201 of 262 (445350)
01-01-2008 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by IamJoseph
01-01-2008 8:36 PM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
IaJ you just keep digging yourself in deeper by continuing to misrepresent the truth. I've posted the Balfour Declaration several times but I can post it once again for all to read.
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
There is no contract. It is an INTERNAL British document and declaration of sympathy with Zionist aspirations.
It does NOT propose a Jewish State.
Again Iaj, you continue to post bullshit that is not simply false, it has NOTHING to do with the topic.
How can you expect anyone to believe anything you say when your track record on even just history is abysmal.
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jar
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Message 206 of 262 (445578)
01-02-2008 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by IamJoseph
01-02-2008 11:10 PM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
If you want to choose which is not a state, you have some 23 others to deal with: who do you suppose created all those Arab states some 120 years ago - the same Brits
Uh, no IaJ. The British did NOT create all those states. Did you even read the So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West? where the actual history of how the Nations of the Middle East were formed?
Yes, it does. Jewish Home, in the context of a Mandate, is best affirmed by the UN Resolution which ratified the Mandate: it uses the term, JEWISH STATE. Selective, are you not?!
Iaj, please point to the passage in tha Balfour Declaration that mandates a Nation State.
I will post it yet again:
quote:
Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
Now once again, do you have ANYTHING on topic?

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jar
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Message 211 of 262 (445645)
01-03-2008 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by IamJoseph
01-03-2008 1:26 AM


Re: IaJ and the realm of misrepresentation.
Almost nothing in your post is true. I have posted links to a thread on how the various state were formed.
Now do you have anything on topic?

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jar
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Message 260 of 262 (450210)
01-21-2008 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by jaywill
01-21-2008 7:10 AM


Let's try truth for a change.
Also Jay, the reference to the Talmud is just another example of misrepresentation through quote mining. It is NOT a historical reference to Jesus Christ. It is during a Talmudic Discourse on proper legal procedures for an execution, is mentioned in a "What if" example and uses the generic name Jesus with no qualifiers.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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