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Author Topic:   Not reading God's Word right is just wrong. No talking snakes!
Bailey
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Message 20 of 157 (486913)
10-25-2008 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Greatest I am
10-22-2008 8:43 AM


It is debatably the most available collection of scriptures dating from antiquity authored by arguably the most God loving and fearing men on the planet.
The bible should be read with an open heart and mind, like other literature, if anything relevant is to be gleamed from its pages ...

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Bailey
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Message 22 of 157 (486987)
10-26-2008 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Greatest I am
10-25-2008 11:27 PM


Talking snakes are not debatable, nor integral. It could have been another man/fox/nephilm/rabbit saying the words and the same outcome would still have prevailed God willing. Eve does not hear Gods command concerning the "forbidden" tree directly, and Adam is not told what he is eating ... destiny is a fickle fitch.
The point may be that God will always warn you that the stove is hot, and he will always allow you to touch a hot stove if you'd rather not take His Word for it ... it appears He still operates within these parameters.
The Genesis account introduces the root essence of man and his spirit, and begs the question - how can something that looks soooo good be that bad?
Man is naive to the arts, laws, and governing principles that would shortly emerge and envelope his existence. Like the one whom's image he was modeled after, he does what is good instinctively. He has not yet learned of the art of war, etc ... he's happy to be naked. There is nothing in the fields yet that will snag his private bits ....
He is happy to exercise his untainted knowledge of good while managing the thornless & thistless garden, assigning names to a plethora of beast, birds, and livestock ...
It may seem, on the surface, that Adam and his descendants would have been better off without contending with the arts of war, deceit, etc., but it proves false, or God is a hypocrite.
Parameters in the story are set to substantiate the claim that man may have pursued this road of goodness that would become the sum of his decisions had a, seemingly random, outside force not influenced his path.
He may have eaten from the other half of the duality represented along the way, the Tree of Life, and "become like" God beholding the properties accociated with immortality.
One must note he was free to eat from this tree and attain immortality all along, providing he make one sacrafice. He must forgo the knowledge of evil.
Man would have to do without all of the natural, corresponding processess of differentiation stemming from the relativity introduced with this new form of knowledge.
We can eliminate the idea that God fears man becoming like him.
Firstly, as man is created in Gods image from the onset.
Why would omnipotent beings create a "man" after their own image if they were afraid of the "man" being like them?
Secondly, the ascertainment of immortality should certainly constitute an increase in similarity to God, as opposed to a seemingly arbitrary 900 year lifespan, or a potentially directly purposed 120 years.
We are left with a different question then whether or not snakes could ever talk or if we should believe such nonsense, or whether or not God is afraid of the day and the man that will "become like" Him ...
Why does God not desire to have the knowledge of evil imparted to and permeating his creation eternally ?
Why does God go to any measure to prevent a man with the raw knowledge of evil from becoming immortal ? What is the fuss ?

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Message 24 of 157 (487088)
10-27-2008 4:06 PM
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10-26-2008 6:15 PM


GIA writes:
if man has always been the same then it stands to reason that it is God's standards that have changed, not mans.
Yet if man has changed, does it stand to reason that it is God's standards that have not?
We can observe man's changes evidentially - the latter we can only speculate to a degree.
We are the way we should be, if not then some pray to an incompetent God.
One who cannot create perfect souls and natures.
With slight amendment I find this agreeable.
We are the way we should be during every current moment located within time or God is surely a hypocrite ...

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Bailey
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Message 26 of 157 (487117)
10-27-2008 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Greatest I am
10-27-2008 5:26 PM


GIA writes:
I see no change over the last 2-3000 yrs.
Man has changed much throughout the milleniums, tho motivated by his own ends, so the changes, seem irrelevant.
Unless they can derail impending doom, even the greateast technological advancements seem petty throughout the ages.
When man's motivation changes gears, there may be a more observable change regarding our current situation.

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