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Author Topic:   Not reading God's Word right is just wrong. No talking snakes!
Percy
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Message 50 of 157 (511234)
06-08-2009 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by greentwiga
06-08-2009 12:50 PM


Re: The "flood" again
So let's examine your premise that one of the ways in which evangelicals misinterpret God's word concerns the extent and impact of the flood. This is Genesis 6:13:
Gen 6:13 writes:
And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth."
God continues in Genesis 6:17:
Gen 6:17 writes:
"For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die."
God describes how many of the world's animals must be taken on the ark in Genesis 6:19:
Gen 6:19 writes:
"And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you."
God describes again how much life he will destroy in Genesis 7:4:
7:4 writes:
"For in seven days I will send rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground."
In Genesis 7:19 the extent of the decimation is described:
Gen 7:19 writes:
And the waters prevailed so mightily upon the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered; the waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth , birds, cattle, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm upon the earth, and every man; everything on dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth.
Heck of a mistranslation if the flood wasn't global wiping out all life except that saved on the ark.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 66 of 157 (511312)
06-09-2009 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by greentwiga
06-08-2009 8:09 PM


When you've convinced the evangelical movement behind creationism that Noah's flood was regional you come back and let us know, all right? For starters, why don't you go over to the Was there a worldwide flood? thread and convince Peg that the flood was regional.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 68 of 157 (511325)
06-09-2009 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by greentwiga
06-09-2009 10:22 AM


Please use the reply button just below the message you're replying to.
You're trying to claim that two different things are one and the same when they're plainly not. What the Genesis myth says is one thing. What may actually have happened could be any of a variety of things, including (if we want to be nice to the YEC's) what Genesis actually says.
But there can be no doubt that Genesis recounts a global flood.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 77 of 157 (511533)
06-10-2009 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by kbertsche
06-09-2009 9:07 PM


It's hard to follow the context because Greentwiga wasn't using the message reply button for a while, but if you go back to my Message 50 you'll see some of the context, and I posted a message somewhere before that about Adam and Eve. Greentwiga's argument is that the Bible actually says that it was a local flood (not that it can be reinterpreted as a myth that grew around a local flood), or that the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman (not that it can be reinterpreted from a myth about a single man and woman). I was telling Greentwiga that he should convince other evangelicals of these things before trying to convince us, the point being that if he can't even convince his most receptive audience then he certainly isn't going to convince us.
We all understand that some within the evangelical movement hold non-YEC views, but not only are they are a small minority, they do not agree with Greentwiga that the literal meaning of Genesis is what he says it is.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 84 of 157 (511694)
06-11-2009 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by greentwiga
06-10-2009 11:17 PM


Re: Bad Theology?
greentwiga writes:
Much of what I have said is conclusions that I reluctantly arrived at. I mention my masters to indicate that I am well trained in the concepts of communication that I am talking about.
Did any of that communications training touch on the use of paragraphs at all?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 97 of 157 (511770)
06-11-2009 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by greentwiga
06-11-2009 5:36 PM


Re: Bad Theology?
greentwiga writes:
So yes, my writing on this site is not submission quality, to say the least.
My comment was rhetorical, I didn't expect a reply, but since you've answered, you missed the point, which was that your lack of communication skills belie your claims of any specialized training. Your reading comprehension skills appear to be in the same ballpark. Your revelations about your educational background are just the fallacy of appeal to authority, in this case your own, your motivation being to counteract the poor impression lent by your poor communication skills.
But this is all off-topic. What's important is that you understand that the reputation you build here will depend upon the quality of your written arguments and not upon any degrees that you may or may not have and certainly do not deserve.
--Percy

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