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Author Topic:   Evolution by Definition
Trixie
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Message 10 of 74 (454001)
02-05-2008 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by tesla
02-04-2008 10:55 PM


Re: ill "try"
i must admit, i cannot further define evolution. it is beyond my ability.
You've yet to start defining it! You're opening brainstorm
evolution: the biological changes in living things
is so loose that it would include changes in blood sugar levels, antibody response to infection, getting goosebumps when you're cold and getting pregnant! Do you really mean that you consider these examples to be evolution? It's as bad as Behe's definition of science which takes in Astrology.
Given that this is obviously so much marsh gas, the causes of your "biological changes" are irrelevant, since you're using tem to list the causes of something that isn't evolution.
If you read around a bit on the intrnet, you may gather enough information to refine your definition, however, bear in mind that
so i feel it is true
doesn't really cut the mustard.
I think what Phat had in mind is what science defines as evolution.
Leave out the stars - that sort of evolution has an entirely different meaning and, as such, has an entirely different definition. You're trying to define the word not the concept.

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Trixie
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Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
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Message 37 of 74 (454237)
02-06-2008 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
02-06-2008 2:52 AM


Re: Emergent Properties
Eh?
You say
then DNA is decisive. we only need to know what prompts it to come to a conclusion
You do realise that this is the equivalent of asking
then table salt is decisive. we only need to know what prompts it to decide to come out of the salt cellar when we shake the salt cellar upside down over out food
You have to accept that DNA is a chemical, an unusual one with some amazing properties, but a chemical nonetheless. As such it can't make decisions, it can't reach "conclusions".
You have to stop thinking of deoxyribonucleic acid as an entity with control over it's own destiny. It's just an unusual chemical.

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Trixie
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From: Edinburgh
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Message 40 of 74 (454289)
02-06-2008 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by tesla
02-06-2008 9:10 AM


Re: Emergent Properties
When you say
when you expose wood to fire, it burns. its a decisive outcome given the condition.
are you trying to suggest that the wood "decides" to burn and could just as well have decided not to burn?
perhaps its better to stop looking at human biology as an all powerful intelligent being, and realize our bodies are a very complicated unusual chemical.
If this is your attempt to turn my argument back on me, I'm sorry to say that it doesn't work and is the most meaningless drivel spouted so far (but I will happily stand correced if anyone can point a more meaningless example ou to me).
Can you clarify what it is you're actually trying to say?

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