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jar
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Message 13 of 115 (318501)
06-06-2006 11:24 PM
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06-06-2006 11:20 PM


GOD set those limits!
You over in the science forums now. Answers like that don't carry much weight.
If you have some evidence bring it on but goddidit ain't gonna cut it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 16 of 115 (318510)
06-06-2006 11:41 PM
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06-06-2006 11:28 PM


If you can't come up with a better answer, stay out of the science forums.
That is why Biblical Creationism will never be science.
But it is still an insufficient answer. I too am a Creationist, a Christian Creationist, but I have not decided to forego the god given capability of critical thinking and adopt wilfull ignorance. Like every major US Christian Church, I accept that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of how GOD did it and reject the teaching of Biblical Creationism or ID. I oppose the wilfull attempt by many Christians to raise children in ignorance.
As said in the open letter Clergy Project, signed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.
If you can present evidence that can be independant verified using scientific rigor that can show where there is some barrier that cannot allow microevolution to accumulate over time into macro changes, then fine, bring it on. Until then the evidence that life evolved that humans are just another of the primates, is overwhelming. To deny that takes an act of wilfull ignorance.

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jar
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Message 24 of 115 (319021)
06-08-2006 9:05 AM
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06-08-2006 12:48 AM


why Goddidit is so useless as an explanation
jar writes:
If you have some evidence bring it on but goddidit ain't gonna cut it.
to which Crue Knight replied :
quote:
If God created the universe and every atom of this universe. It would be possible for Him to change anything He wanted in science, wouldn't He?
Sure could, and if that were true, if GOD actually did do that, then we need to abandon science and return to magic.
If what you say is true, then we can not make any predictions about any event. We cannot know if water freezes at 32o F because that is a property of water, or because God stepped in and changed it. We cannt tell what the real strength of the concrete holding up the Dumbarton Bridge is, or the steel supports either.
A world where some power can step in and change things on a whim is a world of magic, one of wizards not scientists.
Sure it is possible that God might step in and change things, but that is not a world where you can then trust reality.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 27 of 115 (319313)
06-08-2006 9:42 PM
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06-08-2006 9:39 PM


The barrier is the genetic code, the DNA.
Why? How? What is the barrier?

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jar
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Message 31 of 115 (319321)
06-08-2006 9:52 PM
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06-08-2006 9:49 PM


What is the code for legs?

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jar
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Message 39 of 115 (319330)
06-08-2006 10:02 PM
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06-08-2006 9:59 PM


But that wouldn't matter for our case here. The fact is the genetic code of a creature only has that code for body parts, tissues, cells, organs, and systems of that particular creature.
And since you do not know genetic code for body parts, just how do you know that is true?

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jar
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Message 85 of 115 (320388)
06-11-2006 1:14 AM
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06-11-2006 1:11 AM


Re: why Goddidit is so useless as an explanation
We cant explain how God created the animals and planets. There's no science in that. So all we can say is God did it. He spoke it, but we dont know how it all happened, because He is so much greater than us we dont understand how He is.
Perhaps you cannot explain how God created the animals and planets, but that does not mean that the rest of us can't. GOD does not ask us to check our brains at the door.

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jar
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Message 94 of 115 (321603)
06-14-2006 8:59 PM
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06-14-2006 8:00 PM


We (cretionists) do not believe this is spreading falsehoods.
First, it is only some Biblical Creationists who believe that. Most of us have absoloutely no problem with either Evolution which is Fact, the Theory of Evolution which is the best explanation of the fact of Evolution, or the fact that the earth is old and the universe even older.
We know that you don't think you are spreading falsehoods but you are. Worse you are deliberately embracing scientific ignorance and transmiting such ignorance to our children.
Yes I know just because one is proven wrong then the other isn't right. But I meant if one (Evolution or creation) is right then the other is wrong. (has to be in this case)
Again, only true for the Biblical Creationists who worship the Bible instead of God. I would describe myself as a Christian creationist and have no problem understanding that so far the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation we have of how GOD did it.

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