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Author Topic:   Human Brain Evolution Was a 'Special Event'
nator
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Message 22 of 65 (352974)
09-28-2006 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by skepticfaith
09-28-2006 7:37 PM


Re: Hey, you! Bring that goal post back over here!
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Alternatively, one can propose that a grand Designer designed all the creatures starting from simple to complex allowing each creature to adapt to its habitat and undergo minor changes as it does - which is what has been observed.
A "Grand Designer" has been observed?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 34 of 65 (353215)
09-29-2006 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by skepticfaith
09-28-2006 11:30 PM


Re: Hey, you! Bring that goal post back over here!
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Creatures adapting to habitat and undergoing (very) minor changes has been observed.
Many minor changes combine to produce large scale change.
This has been inferred, because the timescales involved do not allow us to directly observe them as they are happening.
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Most people claim to know a 'Grand Designer' He is normally called GOD
LOL!
This is exactly what the Discovery Institute hopes people stop saying aboutIntelligent Design. They are trying to appear scientific and therefore take great pains to avoid any mention of God, but Creationists have messed that up for them on many occasions.
But anyway, how do you know that your version of god designed everything?
It certainly seems to look much more as though much of life was designed by comittee, there are so many design flaws.
I take that back; it looks very much like life wasn't designed by an intelligent designer at all, but a pretty dumb one.
What designer, pray tell, would design our skulls with a sharp ridge of bone on the inside of our skulls?
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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 42 of 65 (353331)
09-30-2006 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by skepticfaith
09-29-2006 9:18 PM


Re: Hey, you! Bring that goal post back over here!
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You say its a dumb design, yet you are the product of this design!
Yes.
It's dumb to design our skulls with a sharp ridge on the inside.
I mean, if you are saying that the Intelligent Designer is an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God, then why would He make so many dumb mistakes?
I mean, why would He have made us with such weak lower backs and knees? Why would He have given us crossover food and air pipes that make is so easy for us to choke? Why would he have created our eyes with a blind spot on our retinas? Why would He have made our skulls so large that it is incredibly difficult to get infants' heads through the birth canal, making human birth much more difficult than practically every other mammal?
I can understand why these things could have evolved, since nature will create creatures with good enough design most of the time. Our design is quite good enough, but there are tradeoffs.
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Perhaps this Designer wanted to have a little laugh at these insignficant humans who dare to question Him!
Perhaps. But this isn't a scientific question.
Also, if true, he's having a "laugh" at all of the believers who do not question him. You have all of the design flaws, too.
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You know he may have delibrately designed you badly.. God did not make you perfect, so this 'dumb' design is part of the drawbacks of being human.. Really, you can't argue for evolution by trying to disprove God - it is silly.
I'm not arguing for evolution.
I am arguing against the notion that humans were designed by an omnipotent, omnicient supernatural entity.
If you want to believe that humans were designed by a sort-of-intelligent designer who is also kind of a dick, then that's your choice, but that's certainly not science, is it?
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