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Author Topic:   Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found
Dr Adequate
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Message 31 of 66 (352415)
09-26-2006 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
09-24-2006 5:54 PM


Sigh. Radiocarbon dating. That's all. Oh well. I'm not surprised. I'd hoped for something more along the lines of forensic deduction from the facts.

(1) That is a deduction from the facts

(2) The word "forensic" does not mean what you think it means.

That in itself is simply based on assumptions that can't be proved...

Yes they can.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 32 of 66 (353029)
09-29-2006 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Equinox
09-26-2006 1:51 PM


YEC 'Super-Genome' falsified
equinox:

For the dating we have many pieces of physical evidence, not the least of which is the dendrochronologic confirmation. We discussed that a bit on the thread that spawned this one, and there seems to be no way around that date, unless we completely deny any logical process based on physical evidence. If we do that, then why believe that the civil war occurred, or that your grandfather was born? All we have in those cases are physical evidence. Even dates on paper are physical evidence.

If we are going to accept evidence and logic, then conclusions are arrived at – such as the contents of his last meal or the question of whether or not he wore shoes, and even the date arrived at by multiple pieces of evidence. If we aren’t going to use physical evidence, then we are living in a fantasy world and further discussion is pointless.

The YEC super-genome hypothesis now stands falsified.

Credit or blame goes to Mr Oetzi.

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Archer

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jar
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Message 33 of 66 (354018)
10-03-2006 8:25 PM


Bump to make sure everyone knows the Super-Genome is nonsense.
Just bringing this back to the top to remind all the Biblical Creationists that the existance of some super-genome has been falsified.


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Damouse
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Message 34 of 66 (355723)
10-10-2006 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dr Adequate
09-26-2006 2:43 PM


quote:
Sigh. Radiocarbon dating. That's all. Oh well. I'm not surprised. I'd hoped for something more along the lines of forensic deduction from the facts.

By now if any reader hasnt read this quote from faith and let their jaw hit the floor, read it now. In fact, read all of Faith's hot air.

Its like arguing with a lawyer! Faith you have avoided or ignored every major question and turning point, you have bsed proven scientific theory, you have shown a lack of simple 8th grade chemistry, and you have given no counter arguments. What was done by Jar in the first post IS forensic evidance. That which you waved away as meaningless and unconclusive is actually sickeningly percise scientific reasoning. There are easier ways to gain attention besides sarcasm coupled with a lack of an argument.

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-I believe in God, I just call it Nature
-One man with an imaginary friend is insane. a Million men with an imaginary friend is a religion.
-People must often be reminded that the bible did not arrive as a fax from heaven; it was written by men.
-Religion is the opiate of the masses

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jar
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Message 35 of 66 (434701)
11-16-2007 10:26 PM


Death of the Super Genome
So we still see no indication of any "Super Genome".


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bluescat48
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Message 36 of 66 (434714)
11-17-2007 12:00 AM
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09-24-2006 5:54 PM


Re: written in the Year 5767
Sigh. Radiocarbon dating. That's all. Oh well. I'm not surprised. I'd hoped for something more along the lines of forensic deduction from the facts. Sorry, there's nothing to discuss here I guess. I just don't accept radiocarbon dating. That in itself is simply based on assumptions that can't be proved, about regular rates of decay through unknown conditions.

Since when is carbon dating based on assumptions? Decay rates are the same in all conditions anywhere in the universe.


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Message 37 of 66 (434737)
11-17-2007 3:42 AM
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11-17-2007 12:00 AM


Re: written in the Year 5767
Faith is no longer an active member of EvC, so I wouldn't expect to hear back from her any time soon.

TTFN,

WK


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ChibiQ
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Message 38 of 66 (436636)
11-26-2007 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by jar
09-24-2006 8:23 PM


Re: No evidence from you yet, jar. Please provide
Hey jar, I'm a newbie and have a newbie-type question. I only skimmed over the topic, so I'm not even sure this question hasn't been asked yet. If it has, I apologize.

Now, you talk about mitochondrial DNA and sub-groups and whatnot. What limits the children/grandchildren/etc of Eve to having the same haplogroup mitochondrial DNA from the mitochondrial Eve? Why can't their mitochondrial DNA be a sub-group of hers?


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jar
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Message 39 of 66 (436638)
11-26-2007 9:52 PM
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11-26-2007 9:40 PM


Re: No evidence from you yet, jar. Please provide
Nothing. If Eve had existed, it is very likely though that Oetzi is a child or at most grand-child of Eve.

It would be unexpected to find that much change in simply one generation, two, maybe three at most. If things were mutating that fast, we should see even greater differences between the various genomes found and what is seen today.

But we didn't.

Everything was pretty normal. Nothing very surprising genetically.


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Phat
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Message 40 of 66 (436697)
11-27-2007 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluescat48
11-17-2007 12:00 AM


The rationality of God and Evidence.
bluescat 48 writes:

Since when is carbon dating based on assumptions? Decay rates are the same in all conditions anywhere in the universe.

I agree with you! While I am sure that God could change any aspect of natural law and human perception that He so chose to do, I am not convinced that it is rational.

I seem to remember a certain comic that I once posted in here, and shall attempt to dig it up. It is appropriate in response to this thread:


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bluescat48
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Message 41 of 66 (436701)
11-27-2007 7:55 AM
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11-27-2007 7:37 AM


Re: The rationality of God and Evidence.
keyeut

very funny

good cartoon


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Phat
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Message 42 of 66 (436703)
11-27-2007 8:11 AM
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09-24-2006 2:39 PM


What is this theory of a Super Genome, anyway?
Jar, what is this theory of a super genome? Who started it? What supporting assertions did they use?

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jar
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Message 43 of 66 (436748)
11-27-2007 12:17 PM
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11-27-2007 8:11 AM


Re: What is this theory of a Super Genome, anyway?
Well, as usual, when you try to pin down a Creationist on the exact model you find they simply run away, change the subject, palm the pea or respond with nonsense. But it is basically that life today is actually devolved from previous higher state, with the classic non-specificity that the earlier period might be before the fall or before the flood depending one whichever fantasy the creationist happens to be defending at the time.

The beauty of Oetzi though was in one event we got to sample the makeup of a whole ecosystem. We have Oetzi's genes, pollen, skin and hides, grasses, what he ate that day, blood from several other people, wood materials. It was amazing. In addition to genetic makeup we got physical evidence, mineralogy, fungus to test, just a wealth of information about that area at the time Adam would have been alive.

And the only possible conclusion was, the world at that time, the people at that time, the genomes at that time, the minerals at that time, the plants and animals and fungus at that time were pretty much just like they are today.


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ChibiQ
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Message 44 of 66 (436767)
11-27-2007 1:22 PM
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11-26-2007 9:52 PM


Re: No evidence from you yet, jar. Please provide
What about the article "Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock" by Ann Gibbons, which basically states that Mitochondrial DNA, in some cases, mutate much faster than expected?

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jar
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Message 45 of 66 (436768)
11-27-2007 1:26 PM
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11-27-2007 1:22 PM


Re: No evidence from you yet, jar. Please provide
What about the article "Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock" by Ann Gibbons, which basically states that Mitochondrial DNA, in some cases, mutate much faster than expected?

LOL

Sure. Too funny.

In this case we are looking as I said at two, maybe three generations.

Get serious.


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