For the dating we have many pieces of physical evidence, not the least of which is the dendrochronologic confirmation. We discussed that a bit on the thread that spawned this one, and there seems to be no way around that date, unless we completely deny any logical process based on physical evidence. If we do that, then why believe that the civil war occurred, or that your grandfather was born? All we have in those cases are physical evidence. Even dates on paper are physical evidence.
If we are going to accept evidence and logic, then conclusions are arrived at â€“ such as the contents of his last meal or the question of whether or not he wore shoes, and even the date arrived at by multiple pieces of evidence. If we arenâ€™t going to use physical evidence, then we are living in a fantasy world and further discussion is pointless.
The YEC super-genome hypothesis now stands falsified.
quote: Sigh. Radiocarbon dating. That's all. Oh well. I'm not surprised. I'd hoped for something more along the lines of forensic deduction from the facts.
By now if any reader hasnt read this quote from faith and let their jaw hit the floor, read it now. In fact, read all of Faith's hot air.
Its like arguing with a lawyer! Faith you have avoided or ignored every major question and turning point, you have bsed proven scientific theory, you have shown a lack of simple 8th grade chemistry, and you have given no counter arguments. What was done by Jar in the first post IS forensic evidance. That which you waved away as meaningless and unconclusive is actually sickeningly percise scientific reasoning. There are easier ways to gain attention besides sarcasm coupled with a lack of an argument.
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Sigh. Radiocarbon dating. That's all. Oh well. I'm not surprised. I'd hoped for something more along the lines of forensic deduction from the facts. Sorry, there's nothing to discuss here I guess. I just don't accept radiocarbon dating. That in itself is simply based on assumptions that can't be proved, about regular rates of decay through unknown conditions.
Since when is carbon dating based on assumptions? Decay rates are the same in all conditions anywhere in the universe.
Hey jar, I'm a newbie and have a newbie-type question. I only skimmed over the topic, so I'm not even sure this question hasn't been asked yet. If it has, I apologize.
Now, you talk about mitochondrial DNA and sub-groups and whatnot. What limits the children/grandchildren/etc of Eve to having the same haplogroup mitochondrial DNA from the mitochondrial Eve? Why can't their mitochondrial DNA be a sub-group of hers?
Nothing. If Eve had existed, it is very likely though that Oetzi is a child or at most grand-child of Eve.
It would be unexpected to find that much change in simply one generation, two, maybe three at most. If things were mutating that fast, we should see even greater differences between the various genomes found and what is seen today.
But we didn't.
Everything was pretty normal. Nothing very surprising genetically.
Re: What is this theory of a Super Genome, anyway?
Well, as usual, when you try to pin down a Creationist on the exact model you find they simply run away, change the subject, palm the pea or respond with nonsense. But it is basically that life today is actually devolved from previous higher state, with the classic non-specificity that the earlier period might be before the fall or before the flood depending one whichever fantasy the creationist happens to be defending at the time.
The beauty of Oetzi though was in one event we got to sample the makeup of a whole ecosystem. We have Oetzi's genes, pollen, skin and hides, grasses, what he ate that day, blood from several other people, wood materials. It was amazing. In addition to genetic makeup we got physical evidence, mineralogy, fungus to test, just a wealth of information about that area at the time Adam would have been alive.
And the only possible conclusion was, the world at that time, the people at that time, the genomes at that time, the minerals at that time, the plants and animals and fungus at that time were pretty much just like they are today.