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Author Topic:   Evolution is random! Stop saying it isn't!
crashfrog
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Message 64 of 99 (416020)
08-13-2007 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by epo5
08-13-2007 10:38 AM


Re: Got it.
The point of that piece was that all the mutations that allegedly led to life on erath would have had to produce many deformed organisms that would have been "selected" out of life on earth. The fossil records show that there are no such massive number of deformed species.
Your problem here is that you radically misunderstand both the nature of mutation and what tends to lead to deformities.
You, yourself, have almost 100 mutations of your very own.
Are you deformed?

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crashfrog
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Message 70 of 99 (416038)
08-13-2007 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by epo5
08-13-2007 1:01 PM


Re: Fossil record PROVES Darwinian evolution never happened
If random mutations, meaning a series of accidents caused all these life forms to develop, there should have a been thousands of life forms wich did not work out and were eliminated by natural selection.
But there are. 99%+ of all the species that have ever existed are extinct. The fossil record, largely, is a record of extinct organisms.
Weren't they naturally selected against, if they're extinct now?
They are not represented in the fossil record in any significant degree.
Why do you say that, when more than 99% of all species have gone extinct? The fossil record is almost entirely composed of species that are now extinct.
Weren't they the species you're talking about? The ones that you say aren't there?
Yes, the fossil record does PROVE Darwinian evolution never happened.
How can it, when what you say isn't there actually is?

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crashfrog
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Message 73 of 99 (416054)
08-13-2007 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by bdfoster
08-13-2007 1:56 PM


Re: Fossil record PROVES Darwinian evolution never happened
Don't want to speak for epo5 but I think he was talking about the unsucessful evolutionary experiments.
If the 99% of species that went extinct aren't "unsuccessful", exactly what are they?
Every individual is an evolutionary experiment. The ones that fail are the ones who die without having offspring. Surely it should be sufficiently obvious that some individuals die without having offspring.

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crashfrog
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Message 77 of 99 (416062)
08-13-2007 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by epo5
08-13-2007 3:17 PM


Re: Crocaducks
This exactly what I'm asking to find.
You're asking because you don't understand evolution. It's a tree, not a chain.
Ducks aren't the descendants of crocodiles. They're the descendants of something that is also the ancestor of crocodiles.
A crocoduck would disprove, not prove, evolution. Since evolution is largely true, we don't see any crocoducks.
If you want to see deformed individuals, there's a bazillion of those. Two-headed frogs and albino tigers. Evolution, though, doesn't proceed from a basis of deformity. It proceeds via small mutations - like the hundred or so mutations you yourself possess.

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crashfrog
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Message 85 of 99 (416087)
08-13-2007 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by epo5
08-13-2007 4:55 PM


Re: Fossil record PROVES Darwinian evolution never happened
I want to see the evidence to tell me whether or not evolution makes any sense. So far the "evidence" tells me it's more bunk than science.
I presented powerful (and as yet unrefuted) evidence in this thread:
More Evidence of Evolution - Geomyidae and Geomydoecus
The evidence I present is irrefutable confirmation of the accuracy of molecular phylogenetics, the scientific field that discerns evolutionary relationships via genetics. Evidence from molecular phylogenetics proves that all organisms are descended from a single original ancestor.
I'd be delighted if you'd share your thoughts on the topic.

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