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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'm not following the thread here I know, but just wanted to say that I'm back and sorry if I offended anyone when I was here before.
I doubt that you offended anybody. I am glad that you have made good use of the experience. Following up the evidence and learning from it - that's the right approach.
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smegma Inactive Member |
"Transitional fossils not proof of evolution?"
are there even transitional fossils that's been found?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Millions of them. Likely billions of them.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
are there even transitional fossils that's been found? Since you chose to ask this question it becomes apparent that you don't know very much about the science. Before one can properly answer this question you will have to tell us how you define a "transitional". What to you think one should look like. What would you want to be shown that you would count as a transitional? It is rather possible that you understand evolutionary biology so poorly that you don't actually know what would constitute a transitional. You have simply read websites that make the assertion that there aren't any and you, knowling no better, belived what they told you. So we can start helping you if you can help us understand just what your level of understanding and knowledge is.
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smegma Inactive Member |
"Millions of them. Likely billions of them."
show me proof that they've found transitional fossils.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Have you ever actually held a fossil? Do you know what a transitional is?
All fossils are transitional. They are snapshot of life in transition. Maybe before we go any further, particularly since the sites you've linked to are so full of misinformation, we should find out what you think a transitional might be? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3993 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
WE are transitionals. Not fossils? Could I point out certain Christians that are well on the way to becoming specimens? :-)
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smegma Inactive Member |
"Before one can properly answer this question you will have to tell us how you define a "transitional". What to you think one should look like."
that means everyone has their own version of what the definition of "transitional" is since you asked me how i define transitional(it's like me asking you how do you define good food or good music?).for me a "transitional fossil" is a fossil that's part say fish and part frog.
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smegma Inactive Member |
"All fossils are transitional."
explain.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
I presume by part "fish and part frog" you mean in a more generic way; with characteristics we currently assign to fish and some that we currently assign to amphibians. Correct?
that means everyone has their own version of what the definition of "transitional" is since you asked me how i define transitional(it's like me asking you how do you define good food or good music?) No, there is a clear definition as used in biology. However, we find people come on here without knowing what one is and seem to have their own idiosyncratic definition. Your definition is, as far as it goes, possibly inline with a more precise biological definition.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your post to nosyned just above pointed to what may be your problem. The TOE never suggests that there would be some critter that is half fish and half frog, and in fact, should something like that ever be found it would definitely mean we all need to step back and look at the theory again.
The Theory of Evolution does not say that there would ever be something like that, rather that the transitions will be small and happen of relatively long periods of time. Even what is called rapid evolution covers a period of tens of thousands of years. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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smegma Inactive Member |
"No, there is a clear definition as used in biology. However, we find people come on here without knowing what one is and seem to have their own idiosyncratic definition."
are you a scientist?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
as a help you might read over this thread:
All species are transitional some issues are dealt with there. I'm still looking for where some people posted a clearer defintion of a 'transitional'.
are you a scientist? Do you want to wait for a practicing scientist to discuss this? Or are you willing to talk to some of us who have done a bit more reading in the area than you may have? We do have a number of biologists posting here if that is what you want. Do I understand what you definition of tranistional means?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Jar, he did say "part". It isn't yet a clear enough definition to know if he has it wrong or not.
It is possible to take his definition as being at least not in contradiction to the correct understanding. Don't do what I do and jump the gun.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
are you a scientist? If you really want a scientist I can set you up with one in a mentoring discussion. If that sounds good (it will prevent piling on and you getting overwhelmed with responses) just reply and I'll set it up for you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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