Are we living on the planet of the apes?

WOW! From what I could tell so far from my brief exposure it seems you all have a very fascinating forum here. Thought this was as good of place as any to ask my question that has been gnawing at me for a few days... Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do! Aloha

Here's my best suggestion: run down to NRA headquarters and ask Charlton Heston. He can probably tell you as well as anyone.Hope things are well in Jax Beach. I went looking for surf there last summer with no luck....

As far as anything larger than the insects, it is beginning to appear that we are, indeed, turning this place into the planet of the apes. There are 6 billion and counting now and they are squeezing out any resource for other largeish life forms.

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Well I was educated to believe I was a baboons cousin, but my convictions have me believing that I am a discerning spirit, and that this world was created. Where do you guys stand?[This message has been edited by Jagz Beach, 01-10-2004]

Well, a distant cousin to the baboons - the chimpanzee and the gorilla are far closer cousins. That is what the evidence seems to say.But you say that you are basing your belief on conviction as opposed to evidence? Or, perhaps, you can reconcile them by accepting evolution as God's method of creation? Your post is a little unclear on that.

Good Question Chiroptera. My convictions are not based on blind faith. My convictions are based on evidence that I have been subjected to while cruising through the experience of reality.I see evolution as a science that tries to chain together events of creation to being some sort of natural process that can’t be proven thanks to the gulf separating our inheritance cycle. The parallels of creation and evolution are uncanny. I find it fascinating how they both start in pretty much the same place, then evolve from water to land and from creatures small to large. The aero dynamic nature of sea creatures has me fascinated to the fact that the creationists went immediately from the sea to the sky according to creation.Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.I see the design of creation regarding the life forms being manifested in other dimensions, and produced in this one at a rate such as that of the speed of light. To me reality as we know it is nothing more than our creators’ Dimensional matrix. Designed for the purpose of educating the hosts of heaven what the ramifications are of not abiding by Gods will of love. The only way to escape the calamity of hell that is about to take hold on this world, is to Believe in God, and follow his son Jesus Christs’ message of love, which is in essence our stairway to heaven.Reality to me is a text book of how not to act. A message the hosts of heaven will carry for eternity. I think God saw it fit to take a speck of dust (earth) fill it with Godlike hosts to show the hosts of heaven just what would have happened if he allowed a live and let live sentiment to exist in heaven. In order to avoid the chaos and calamity to exist there on such a massive scale, he cleverly decided to create this matrix reality to serve his purpose of the lesson, while simultaneously causing as little damage to the big picture as possible.[This message has been edited by Jagz Beach, 01-10-2004]

Just what order do you believe evolution happened in?I believe Genesis 1 has creation happening in this order:
1. vegetation, seed bearing plants and fruiting plants (pre-sun by the way)
2. sea creatures and winged birds
3. land animals, cattle, creeping things
4. man and woman

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Regardless of the order the evolutionists came up with Asgara, wouldn't you describe the parallels between creation and evolution as being uncanny?We recognize the program embodied in the matrix of creation of life encoded in DNA. DNA is like a digital code used by the hosts of creation to come up with the designs of various life forms. I can just see the hosts of heaven using this code to come up with the designs of creatures in this world, while in their make shift labs painting and designing the variety of color the life we recognize in this world, such as parrots or reef fish for example, how about the color and design of insects red ants and turquoise beetles. It facinates me everytime I think about.BTW it wasn’t pre-sun according to creation.Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.So you see the sun and earth existed before God's spirit moved upon the face of the water on earth. How long before we know not? BTW I stumbled on to this site when I was reading up on how red shifts seem to want to place our planet in the center of the universe.Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.[This message has been edited by Jagz Beach, 01-10-2004]

Uncanny isn't the word I would use. Anyway...the question still stands...what do you see as the order of evolution? 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.
16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Jagz Excuse me but what drivel is this? How do you go about making this assumption? Please inform us of the program you recognize as embodied in the matrix of creation. Just what the hell is the 'matrix of creation'anyway?I think it is time for you to explain these impressions of yours with something approaching rational thinking don't you?

First of all I am not claiming to be the sharpest tool in the shed. So bare with me here Sidelined. String theory suggests that there are 10 dimensions. I believe that in order to rationally understand my take, you would have to consider that the events I am referring to would have had had to occur in the other 6 dimensions; where one of our seconds may actually take years to come into fruition Who Knows?Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first dayThere was obviously light the first day. Lights, rather than light is the key word in the verses you brought to light... Stars, Moon?14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.
16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was goodWho knows maybe the moon didn't show up until the fourth day to get the currents and tide flowing, and their may have been some sort of mist to cover up the stars kind of like there are in other galaxies that don't have as sweet of view of the universe as we do...Life in ocean before land plants according to evolutionists[This message has been edited by Jagz Beach, 01-10-2004]

Can I just address an open reply to all the Post-Modernists who may be reading? Thanks:Post-Modernists! Your metaphors and dreamlike prose, as pretty as it may be, is not equivalent to science! Science is superior to making stuff up!Comments like: while pretty, are nonsense compared to data collected via the scientific methodology and models that explain data and make predictions. Sorry, it's just true. You may find science cold and heartless but Finnegan's Wake isn't going to build you a VCR. Science will.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 01-10-2004]

We are able to create a VCR, but who created us? We know that VCR's doesn't become created by throwing a bunch of tools, and parts in a wharehouse. There must be a design as well as a designer, not to mention all the BS involved with getting the idea into some ones living room. VCR's don't just fall out of thin air, and niether did we. I mean how much more complicated is an ant to create, let alone design than a VCR?If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.- Carl Sagan[This message has been edited by Jagz Beach, 01-10-2004]

Gosh, Crashfrog, prettier than:

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I believe that in order to rationally understand my take, you would have to consider that the events I am referring to would have had had to occur in the other 6 dimensions; where one of our seconds may actually take years to come into fruition Who Knows?

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Jagz Beach, I'm not sure what you are trying to say, and I'm don't think you are, either. Those extra 6 dimenstions, if they exist, are not a different place where time goes at a different speed. If this string theory is correct, then we all, right now, live in 10 dimensions. It is just that the other six are so "short" that we just can't notice them.And what is the point you are trying to make? Are you trying to reconcile Genesis with the scientific theory of evolution?

Your discussion of the appearance of VCR's misses one important point. VCR's don't f**k! When you figure out why that is important get back to us.

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Common sense isn't