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THE SIMPLICITY OF THE COMPLEX SYSTEMS - essay about origin of Life

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b_sharp
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05-01-2007 4:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by Fosdick
04-27-2007 7:33 PM

Re: whole>parts
General question relevant to the OP: Is water more than oxygen and hydrogen?

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I think a better question would be, are the properties of water (H2O) predictable from the properties of oxygen, hydrogen and their interactions?
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In my opinion, the definition of emergence as a list of properties of the combination different from the properties of the individual components as overly broad. A more precise definition would be an 'unexpected' consequence of the combining of components given their properties. However, this means that what we consider to be emergent properties will change as we learn to more accurately predict changes in properties upon combination from initial properties.
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b_sharp
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05-01-2007 8:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Fosdick
05-01-2007 4:42 PM

Re: whole>parts
b_sharp wrote:
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HM asked:
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General question relevant to the OP: Is water more than oxygen and hydrogen?
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I think a better question would be, are the properties of water (H2O) predictable from the properties of oxygen, hydrogen and their interactions?
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In my opinion, the definition of emergence as a list of properties of the combination different from the properties of the individual components as overly broad. A more precise definition would be an 'unexpected' consequence of the combining of components given their properties. However, this means that what we consider to be emergent properties will change as we learn to more accurately predict changes in properties upon combination from initial properties.
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I'll have to agree with you. Water is unpredictbable from its pre-combined elements.
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Actually I'd have to say that water's place within the 'emergent' household has just been lost.
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Apparently water's properties are now predictable.
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