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Author Topic:   Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?
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Message 290 of 438 (742612)
11-22-2014 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by Colbard
11-22-2014 11:09 AM


but of course morals do evolve
Of course morals do evolve and Thank God, are not absolute least we be stuck with merely what Jesus considered moral. Fortunately we have advanced since Jesus time; we no longer say "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" we say "You cannot stone people period."

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Message 307 of 438 (742644)
11-22-2014 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Colbard
11-22-2014 12:08 PM


More utter bullshit from the little liar Colbard
If you truly believe in evolution you can't accuse the God of Christians for anything because he does not exist.
Liar, liar pants on fire.
Understanding that evolution is fact and that we are simply evolved, not more evolved than chimpanzees, apes has absolutely nothing to do with a belief in the existence of God or being a Christian. Even the Pope has acknowledged that evolution is a fact.
You can of course say something like "The Pope is not a Christian" which would just be another of you lies or you might say "I don't believe the Pope is a Christian" which may well not be a lie but just another example of your willful ignorance.
So a genuine evolutionist does not teach morals at home to his or her children, they can only mention physical or social consequences of certain behaviors, and their own preferences as parents.
More utter bullshit at best and most likely just another of your chain of lies or examples of your willful ignorance.
A evolutionist can most certainly teach morals at home or too their children and even as you can see here on this board to the ignorant, deluded or lying Creationists.

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Message 316 of 438 (742686)
11-22-2014 10:33 PM
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11-22-2014 10:23 PM


Re: More utter bullshit from the little liar Colbard
There is always the hope you will actually stop telling lies like "So a genuine evolutionist does not teach morals at home to his or her children, they can only mention physical or social consequences of certain behaviors, and their own preferences as parents."
You know people can actually look back and see what you have posted.
Understanding that evolution is fact and that we are simply evolved, not more evolved than chimpanzees, apes has absolutely nothing to do with a belief in the existence of God or being a Christian. Even the Pope has acknowledged that evolution is a fact.
You can of course say something like "The Pope is not a Christian" which would just be another of your lies or you might say "I don't believe the Pope is a Christian" which may well not be a lie but just another example of your willful ignorance.
Now no one actually worships the Pope so you were smart to erase your first message in that post, but understand I am not a Roam Catholic anyway but rather a Protestant Christian.
I also understand that evolution is fact and that we are simply evolved, not more evolved than chimpanzees, apes. So you need to stop posting really silly lies. It does your case no good.

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Message 318 of 438 (742688)
11-22-2014 10:59 PM
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11-22-2014 10:16 PM


Sheesh, you keep showing your utter ignorance particularly when it comes to the bible
You really haven't read the Bible have you?
You post utter nonsense like "So we do have morals, of course we do, our morals defined by us and not anything outside of us." when the Bible clearly says that we have the same ability to know right and wrong as God does. It also says that when we see God is going to behave immorally we need to point that out and chasten God.
Throughout the Bible the God character struggles with deciding what is moral and immoral; right and wrong; just as we do. There is no absolute right or wrong in the Bible and we are charged to continue struggling with the issue just as the God characters in in Bible stories did.

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Message 327 of 438 (742715)
11-23-2014 8:54 AM
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11-23-2014 8:12 AM


Learn some actual Christian History
Well, Tangle it is wonderful that you can bathe in the niceties of Protestant Christian principles of rule, and at the same time dismiss the martyrs of the reformation who shed their blood for freedom from the tyranny of the Papacy.
While those of you in the British Commonwealth may bathe in the niceties of Protestant Christian principles of rule you need to remember that it is the Church of England, not a product of the reformation but rather the conflict of two calendars, the need for an heir and a spare and politics.
You really need to learn some basic history of Christianity.
And the Protestants produced by the Reformation created their fair share of martyrs and were every bit as oppressive as the RCC.
I happen to live in the US where we have a Constitution that contains specific Amendments inserted to protect us from the oppression of the Reformation Protestants.
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Message 330 of 438 (742723)
11-23-2014 10:51 AM
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11-23-2014 7:34 AM


ah, the "what's in it for me" form of Christianity
To think that morality is solely human generated, without any greater context of God, may be a tragic mistake, because if it goes wrong for us, and the world is betrayed into a false sense of security, by a lying system...who will help us?
Ah yes, you are talking about the God as servant theology where God's purpose is to save You.
Typical Calvinist theology.
To think that God exists to save you or that humans are somehow more important than the other apes or pond scum is a classic example of hubris, extreme hubris.
But again the Bible says otherwise and even Jesus is reported as saying otherwise.
You really need to stop believing the lies like "Christianity is not a religion" or "Jesus was a Christian" and start doing what Jesus said we are to do; to clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, heal the sick and injured, shelter the homeless, teach the children and love and enjoy life.
Read the Bible. It says even God can be encouraged to behave more morally by mere humans.
AbE:
And has been pointed out to you the Bible says we do not need a "greater context of God" and that we have the same capability to know right from wrong as God does.
You really need to read the Bible. Most Christians on here who are not members of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and almost all atheists will have actually read and studied the Bible in several versions so you just look stupid when you say stuff the Bible clearly refutes.
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Message 415 of 438 (744102)
12-08-2014 9:14 AM
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12-08-2014 9:04 AM


Read the Bible
Thou shalt not, disrespect parents, kill, commit adultery, steal, lie, and envy.
Yet Jesus disrespected his mother and appropriated group funds for his own oils.
The only basis for morality should be learned behaviors and empathy.
The God found in the Bible is often amoral at best and immoral at times needing to be chastened and corrected by a human.
Have you ever even read the Bible Colbard?

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Message 417 of 438 (744113)
12-08-2014 9:50 AM
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12-08-2014 9:34 AM


Re: Read the Bible
I don't think anyone has even a clue what you know but what you don't know is pretty obvious.
You don't know anything about the Bible or Christianity or Science or Honesty or Morality or evidence or debate or discussion for starters.
If you did then you would know that the Bible says mankind has the same capability to know right and wrong as God does thanks to the great gift given in Genesis 2&3 fable.

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Message 429 of 438 (744451)
12-11-2014 9:24 AM
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12-11-2014 9:12 AM


Re: Read the Bible
Colbard writes:
Jar writes:
You don't know anything about the Bible or Christianity or Science or Honesty or Morality or evidence or debate or discussion for starters.
If you did then you would know that the Bible says mankind has the same capability to know right and wrong as God does thanks to the great gift given in Genesis 2&3 fable.
Classic freemason teaching
HUH?
You really have not read the Bible have you?
Genesis 3 writes:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Freemason teaching or simply pointing out what the Bible actually says?

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Message 434 of 438 (757383)
05-08-2015 9:32 AM
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05-07-2015 9:42 AM


Re: Read the Bible
What difference does it make whether someone read the Bible? I've read it, all of it, but that does not mean I believe any of it or that it comes from a god. Morality is easily explained by evolution. The tribes that cooperated and treated each other fairly survived. They had a distinct advantage over tribes that did not work together and did not treat one another fairly. Even animals have a sense of fairness and reciprocity. This has been clearly demonstrated by many studies and featured in a TED talk by Frans de Waal.
Your a new kid here so I will cut you a ton of slack but your post has absolutely no relevance to what I posted.
If you read more of what I post here at EvC you will learn I have only minor points of contention with anything in your post above.
My point was that those who think the Bible is much of a moral guideline or that God determines morality simply have not read the Bible. The Bible is filled with the question of what morality is, the God character in the Bible constantly struggles with trying to figure out what is moral and very often behaves in what we can only describe as an immoral manner if not utterly depraved. Also, as the part you quoted points out, the Bible itself says that man has the exact same ability to determine right from wrong as God, and we too constantly struggle with determining what is moral or immoral.
I never tell anyone they should believe in God but personally, I do. But that is me. However I do think it is important to point out what the Bible (or Veda or Koran or Tanach or Eight Fold Path or writing of Confucius or Mencius or ...) actually do say particularly when folk resort to using such writings as support for their personal positions.

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Message 438 of 438 (757413)
05-08-2015 1:00 PM
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05-08-2015 12:05 PM


Re: Read the Bible
Ah yes we now see through the true motive of this passage. Unfortunately for us the "stupid gene" was perpetuated due to early sexual maturity and reproduction of the subjects following yet another passage of "be fruitful and multiply."
God may well have set limits on how smart we can be but there is no limit on stupid.

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