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Author Topic:   Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?
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Message 91 of 438 (504822)
04-03-2009 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Granny Magda
04-03-2009 10:13 AM


Maybe we are just getting played
Cedre is a caricature of what I picture as a fundamentalist. I mean he can't be real can he? The avatar should give it away. Is he, and in turn other fundamentalists, so clueless that he doesn't understand that the picture is mocking christianity?
Well I guess when I think about it I am not so surprised. Cluelessness is one of the hallmarks of fundamentalism, whether it is christian, islamic, jewish, hindu, sikh or whatever.
It is amazing that these people profess a moral high ground, but readily admit that if they didn't have their god and book then they would do nothing but rape and pillage all day. I have been an atheist for 30 years and I have never had any of the ideas Cedre has come up with.
I guess I finally have learned something that the bible is good for. It keeps wackos like Cedre in line.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 236 of 438 (740069)
10-31-2014 2:59 PM
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10-31-2014 1:08 AM


Re: Good and Bad
Pol Pot, Jeffery Dahmer, Christopher Columbus, David Koch to name a few. I think there is a wide variety of thought on what is beneficial to life in general.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 283 of 438 (742583)
11-22-2014 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Colbard
11-22-2014 9:47 AM


So all you want to do is preach and attack Catholics? Please go some place mor appropriate for that. This is in a science forum. In other words not a proper venue for preaching.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 285 of 438 (742600)
11-22-2014 10:44 AM
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11-22-2014 10:21 AM


No it I not a religious subject. People without religion have morals. Morals evolved in human beings. Moral values continue to evolve.
You speak as I evolution is some sort of thing. It is change over time.
Can you show that morals have not evolved.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 289 of 438 (742611)
11-22-2014 11:23 AM
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11-22-2014 11:09 AM


Your morals are subjective also. To claim otherwise is a lie. Maybe a lie to yourself but still a lie.
Slavery was morally ok at one time. Your bible says so. Do you think it is morally good?
If morals are not evolved why there many different moral codes? Even among different Christian sects?
which in your world are subjective, and therefor no better than notions of the day.
You do not know me so please do not presume to. I have a very strong moral code by which I live my life. It does not change from day to day. I will put my atheist moral code up against yours any day. It may be different but probably no better or worse. To think that everyone should live by your moral code us the height of hubris.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 292 of 438 (742615)
11-22-2014 11:35 AM
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11-22-2014 11:20 AM


Maybe you just don't get it. No one says evolution has morals. That would be stupid because evolution is not a thing. It cannot have morals because does not have characteristics like that. Evolution does not have a plan. Evolution is a process, it just happens. Trying to give it some sort of sentience, or pointing out it has no sentience does not help your argument
Your argument is disingenuous at best. You are arguing that since evolution does not have morals, morals can not evolve. That attempt at logic is so ridiculous it hardly merits addressing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 295 of 438 (742618)
11-22-2014 11:47 AM
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11-22-2014 11:37 AM


You are aware that we can read your previous posts aren't you.
Oh yeah nice dodge so you dont have to address my post in any meaningful way.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 361 of 438 (743279)
11-29-2014 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Colbard
11-29-2014 7:49 AM


WTF?
Is this like declaring you won and leaving?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 430 of 438 (744458)
12-11-2014 10:44 AM
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12-11-2014 9:12 AM


Re: Read the Bible
Do you know anything about Freemasonry?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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