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Author Topic:   Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?
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Message 130 of 438 (505543)
04-13-2009 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by ICANT
04-11-2009 2:47 AM

Re: Human life and worth
ICANT writes:
The God I serve gave me two rules to live by.
1. Love God with everything you are.
2. Love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.
Now you and everybody else here can dispense with number one.
But if everyone in the world would keep number two.
Our jails would be empty.
There would be no homeless.
There would be no hunger.
Food, wealth and other resources would certainly be more equitably distributed around the world.
In fact what you are suggesting sounds somewhat like an idealised form of global socialism................
There would be no pain inflicted by one human being on another.
Except possibly by those who enjoy the experience of inflicting pain on one another......
Would you consider these people immoral?
Now please explain how us making decisions as to what is moral or what is not moral is better than that.
The notion that "Treat others as you would be treated" as a starting basis for a system of rational and reasoned social morality requires divine and supernatural revelation is ridiculous.
If nothing else it needs to be appreciated that this notion predates Christian thinking and that whatever the ultimate origins of man's moral nature we innately have this capacity for the concept of morality regardless of any particular religious doctrine.

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Message 197 of 438 (516971)
07-28-2009 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Cedre
07-28-2009 9:16 AM

Moral Make-Up
No, it doesn’t make morality subjective, God is an absolutely moral being, and therefore whatever he says is absolutely moral and nothing less.
And whatever God does is also "absoluetly moral and nothing less" right?
So how, given gods record or not practising what he preaches, do we know what is right and what is wrong?
Some kill in the name of God. Some say killing is forbidden by the word of God. The problem with any stance that claims an absolute morality is that even in the unlikely event that such a thing exists nobody seems to consistently know what it is. It is all a matter of interpretation to the point that we might as well ignore it and try to rationally work out how to construct the sort of society we want to live in and the morality that is required to achieve that.
In short we might as well assume that we are complex intelligent social animals who have dispirate wants and desires and then try to work out the best way of all getting along together without wiping ourselves out.
I would suggest a basic foundation of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" as the best approach to this. I would also suggest that as an evolved species we would expect this sort of approach to be evident to some extent in our innate evolved "moral make-up". I would argue that where religious teachings match this approach it is merely an example of a human social construct reflecting man's fairly natural inclinations in this direction.
Edited by Straggler, : spelling

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