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Author Topic:   Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?
straightree
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Message 101 of 438 (504844)
04-03-2009 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
03-28-2009 8:43 AM


Some freindly advice
Hi Cedre,
I see that you are very young, not only 6, but quite young. So do not be offended by some advice from a senior fellow.
-Do not overestimate your capacity. Never embark again in a so heavy subject, without restricting the number of participants. Three to one should be fine.
-Do not loose your temper. When I was young I used to loose it too, and always regretted it.
If you want to continue the discussion of the subject, please choose the participants you are going to answer, obviously the ones that have been more centered on the subject.
All that said, talking about believe, I am a Christian, and do not find any conflict between evolution and morality. Maybe at the end of that debate you will be closer to me.
Edited by straightree, : No reason given.

Creationism and evolutionism should not be mutually excluding.

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straightree
Member (Idle past 4860 days)
Posts: 57
From: Near Olot, Spain
Joined: 09-26-2008


Message 102 of 438 (504883)
04-04-2009 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cedre
03-28-2009 8:28 AM


Correction
Hi Cedre,
I made a mistake, and clicked in a wrong box, so that my previous message went as an answer to Admin. Excuses to him, and to you, please just look at my previous message.

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straightree
Member (Idle past 4860 days)
Posts: 57
From: Near Olot, Spain
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Message 103 of 438 (504903)
04-04-2009 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cedre
03-28-2009 8:28 AM


Some clarification needed
As far as I am aware of Evolution Theory it states that:
- There are genetic mutations
- The environment selects those that are more adapted to it.
This happens in a time framework, so that selection is done on past mutations. If we take the present, selection is being done on mutations occurred in the past.
In this picture there is not any reference to future. That is, the Theory does not say that present actions that will produce future advantage will be selected or promoted at present.
In that sense, I find the remark done by Stagamancer very pertinent.
quote:
Natural selection is never directed by the future success of the species as a whole, and to use this argument puts you in a dangerous position (in terms of debate).
If I am right, then I think that the whole debate is quite unfocused, because it is based mainly on the benefits or advantages that present actions will produce in the future. The debate should not have started, even, because Cedre first statement clearly was talking of future advantage, regarding present actions.
quote:
why is there such a thing as if you would unbeneficial humanitarianism where an individual’ survival success will not be impacted or rather positively impacted directly or indirectly by his or her care giving/taking of others.
My statement is completely honest, and also I am aware that may be completely wrong, so I will accept any informed opinion against it.

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