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Author Topic:   Morality! Thorn in Darwin's side or not?
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Message 186 of 438 (516760)
07-27-2009 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Cedre
07-27-2009 9:38 AM

Re: Simple and obvious
In fact it does, God is an absolutely moral being, meaning that whatever he does is moral and as a result is whatever he instructs us to do. So to the believer the question of where absolute morality comes from has never been a quandary in any way, for the reason that the believer has long recognized that since God is an absolutely moral being, rape, hate, murder and other such acts are immoral because they have been judged to be so by the spring of absolute morality.
Conversely, atheist cannot declare any act to be immoral for they are speaking only subjectively, their viewpoints do not transcend all cultures, nations and societies. An atheist cannot say murder is wrong, then he would have to answer the question why it is wrong, by whose standards, Americas’ standards, Britain’s standards, South Africa’s standards, or maybe by his own standards.
What is more God has every right to judge and condemn those who turn away from His absolute moral code, and decide to pursue their own self-determined morality, if human judges can do this in human courts based on what they deem to be morally correct and morally depraved, it follows that the eternal God the starting point of absolute morality can be expected to carry out righteous judgment in His own court as he sees fit in line with his righteousness and complete justice. God does indeed solve any and all philosophical problems with ease for what is impossible with man is possible with the Lord God Almighty.
If this were true then we would see a very consistent interpretation of religious text for 1 religion compared to all others. That does not happen because every religious text is extremely open to interpretation as a moral guide. It does not provide a clear moral standard for behavior. As such, it does not provide absolute morals. Absolute morals would require 0 room for subjective interpretations because that subjective interpretations stops it from being an absolute statement.
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Message 187 of 438 (516761)
07-27-2009 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Stile
07-27-2009 11:18 AM

Re: The impotent thorn
First, you have not shown that an absolute morality exists.
Second, even if it does, everyone still has a subjective choice to accept or reject the absolute system. Which means... all the problems you simply claim that an absolute moral system deals with are completely incorrect.
It gets even worse than this. Because an absolute moral system would have to be clearly spelled out so humans would always know what is moral, but no such system exists. All religious texts require considerable subjective interpretation. Now, the only way this would make sense with an absolute God is if God has decided to not tell humans what right and wrong are which would then beg the question of "what is the purpose of the religious texts?'

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