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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: Except that most men who loose hair start to do so whenquite young (20-30) ... while many older gents (my dad included at 75) still have as thick a mop of hair as when they were younger.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5841 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
They key words were a LONG TIME AGO.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the average lifespan (before tool use became common) was well under 30. That meant that most of life and reproduction was carried out before hair loss would become an issue for survival or mate selection. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Stephen ben Yeshua Inactive Member |
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You ask,
That's a new one on me. How does adaptation support both? It stems from evolutionary theory. Creationism simply says God made us the way we are. Which is why creationism is such an ugly lie. But, in our experience, creators often, usually, make things with a purpose, and we would hope that our Creator, if we have one, was not so whimsical as creationists might have us believe. Thus, in dealing with Jehovah as a Creator, done in science and truth, we ask and search out why He made what He made the way He made it. We see the world (hypothetically, at least) as meaningful in every detail, reflecting the richness of His mind and heart. Wonderfully complex, to be figured out in an infinite search to know God, by seeing wisdom, His wisdom, in His creation. Stephen
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Taqless Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
Similarly guys with higher testosterone grow facial hair faster. But, what study have you read that shows higher testosterone levels in certain ethnic backgrounds. Because there is definitely a difference between Asian/North American Native Americans facial/body hair and a Western European? Would one then say that testosterone levels are lower in the former? Is there serious difference between the amount of hair on an unshaved European woman and man? It is a serious question.
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Taqless Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
I actually heard that Asian hair is round (and hence straight) and the curliest hair is asymetrical. As far as I know straight vs. curly (and in between) is the amount of disulfide bonds in the protein.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Not sure what the evidence is for shorter lifespans,
but I apologise anyhow .... thought you were talking generally rather than specific to the pre-tool folks.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Re: Testosterone and ethnicity:
I think you are right, there must be more to it than that, but testosterone seems to play an imortant role. Re: Hairy European women:Unshaved women tend to have hair in many places , but few grow full beards, chest hair, back hair or belly hair in the large quantities that a lot of European men do. ...or at least few that I have had any close dealings with ....
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
I was thinking of the celts, the picts, the goths, the visi-goths and the scottish clansmen. Although, thinking about it, the picts rubbed ash in their hair to spike it so they don't count. I'm also pretty certain that the vikings and the huns wore their hair lose.
However, I've not really researched hair-styles through the ages - so my information could be wrong. I'd also suspect that hair is less of a problem once you've got sword/axes and shields anyway; so this could well be an irrelevance.
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Taqless Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: |
but few grow full beards, chest hair, back hair or belly hair in the large quantities that a lot of European men do. ...or at least few that I have had any close dealings with .... LOL, yeah, forgot the beard and chest...I was thinking in terms of equivalent growth areas, but you're right. I've seen the infrequent older woman who forgot her estrogen though .
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5841 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
quote: Now that you mention it, I've never actually tried to find out what data has been used to make the case that people died so young long long ago. But I do know that I've heard it said a lot in documentaries. Hmmmmmm... maybe a new topic, inquiring minds want to know! holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5841 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Celts, scottish clansmen, and picts, from what I am aware, wore some type of headcovering/headband. The Goths, vikings, and huns wore helmets whenever they were available. I believe the Vikings also braided their hair.
I am willing to accept contrary evidence, but will agree that what you pointed out is part of my argument... once you have weapons and armor, hair length tends to be less of a factor. This is one reason I am wondering whether this difference in max hair length (between head and body hair) came after tool use, where sexual significance would play more of a role than survival. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I've read that unwashed hair cleans itself, and
can be in much better condition than our trend for constant washing .... never seen this corroborated though and never been able to leave my hair unwashed long enough to check it out.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
Now that you mention it, I've never actually tried to find out what data has been used to make the case that people died so young long long ago. But I do know that I've heard it said a lot in documentaries. Age of skeletons from graveyards. Age of death in recorded data. Lifespan in 'primitive' peoples still present in todays world.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: Me two I know a few ladies whose hair has reached close to theirankles, let alone knees. One in particular had never had her hair cut -- ever (at age 17 and about 5'3") -- and had to have it tied or braided to stop it trailing on the floor. Another I knew was similar -- hair very long. And since most people cut their hair I'd really like to seesome data to back up the report.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Graveyards and records from when?
A walk through the graveyard of my parish church,with gravestones dating back to the 1600's, shows many people living into their 70's over the last three hundred years. If we are talking extremely ancient human populationswe have no data to make an assessment. Fossils don't help since they are few and far between. Even in historical times there are finds which cast doubton the lower life expectancy suggestion. Roman remains of a whole group of elderly women for example, Sir Isaac Newton maybe. Also, if the graveyards are from times when there were knownplague, famine, war-torn conditions they may not be indicative of earlier life-expectancies. Perhaps average life expectancy is not a good metric, sinceit is the young who are more likely to expose themselves to danger/risk so that avg life expect measures risk-exposure rather than life-span?
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