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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
This little packet appears all over the place, as the qualities that a valid theory should have.
It should have:1) testable hypotheses 2) confirming evidence 3) potential falsifications I would be interested in exploring the potential falsifications part of this trio. Since I can honestly disavow having previously posted same trio, I leave it to one of the others of the evolution side, to supply some potential falsifications. Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: See, that's the way science works! If the evidence contradicts your theory, you must determine why. Either the evidence is bad, or part or all of the theory is bad. If part or all of the theory is bad, then it must be modified or discarded. In a scientific theory, there's always room for improvement! Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: Coluld there not be the result of a partial falsification? I've been thinking about the human fossil in the preCambrian senario. If such a thing were found, would it falsify the TOE in it's entirety? Or would it stand to the side as an unexplained annomaly? Would it mearly put a really big dent in the TOE? After all, there still would be a massive amount of valid scientific support for the TOE. Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
How to Disprove Evolution? at "The Panda's Thumb".
Much of what was mentioned there was mentioned upthread here. Yes, this is essentially a "bare link" message. But I thought the "PT" article deserved flagging, and this topic seemed to be the place to do it. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I know this thread is old but is there anyone who can present evidence that ToE has been falsified (not how it could be, I mean actual evidence that has falsified ToE)? Your call out for valid falsifying evidence from the creation side is absurd - You know it's not going to happen. Down through the theory of evolution history there have been additions and other modifications to the theory. When some detail is found to be lacking, the theory must be modified - I would think of this as a minor falsification and a resulting correction. I think is is more interesting and informative to explore potential falsifications, even though we know many to most are never going to actually happen. Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
You can be damn sure that I wasn't probing for real (major) falsifications when I started this topic. I know that such possibilities are very slim at best, and even then, it isn't going to be the creation side that comes up with such.
Perhaps the term "hypothetical falsifications" would have been better. As in, "they don't really exist, but hypothetically, what would do the job". Some good examples of such came very early in this topic. I find it totally absurd to ask the creation side for real (not hypothetical) falsifications. Why continuously badger someone for something you know doesn't exist? Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
You can be damn sure that I wasn't probing for real (major) falsifications when I started this topic. Of course not. That would have suggested that you were a scientist first and foremost, rather than an atheist.
I know that such possibilities are very slim at best That is called pre-judging the situation. The noun (you may have heard it) is "prejudice".
Perhaps the term "hypothetical falsifications" would have been better It would certainly have been less scientific. When you dismiss the possibility of falsification a priori you have already abdicated as a scientist. The (biological) theory of evolution is the collected best thoughts of how (biological) evolution happened. It is a big, complicated theory made up of many smaller theories. While the falsification of any or all of these theories is possible, the falsification probability is much higher for the the smaller subtheories. At this point in the study of (biological) evolution, while still in concept possible, it is highly unlikely that the "big picture" theory is going to collapse - That "big picture" theory is very strong. I'm not a biologist - Geology is my training. A parallel discussion could be that of the theory of the Earth's age. The ages of various relatively small details of the Earth's geologic history may very well be subject to being found to be wrong, but none of these potential age falsifications are going to have any major impact on the age of the Earth's origin. - Again, the "big picture" theory is very strong. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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