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Author Topic:   MACROevolution vs MICROevolution - what is it?
NoNukes
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Message 101 of 908 (671232)
08-23-2012 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
08-23-2012 12:06 PM


Re: So, Big_Al35, what is MACROevolution?
Aren't you sitting at a computer with internet access?

Even that minor amount of research is completely unecessary. RAZD presented definitions for both micro and macro-evolution right before asking Big Al for his definitions.


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NoNukes
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Message 117 of 908 (671313)
08-24-2012 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Big_Al35
08-24-2012 6:17 AM


Classic
Still waiting for that "observed" example or at least a definition of what you mean by observed.

You are the one who introduced the requirement that evolution be observed. So why don't you give us your definition. I suspect that your definition will require a time machine and that we will know that you are not participating in good faith.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 127 of 908 (671338)
08-24-2012 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Coyote
08-24-2012 11:08 AM


Re: Boo-boo
I'll also note that the association of Ham with the the Negroid is a concept that most people find abhorent.

I'd be inclined to use stronger negative terms than boo-boo, for this crap.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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Message 132 of 908 (671363)
08-24-2012 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by kofh2u
08-24-2012 12:57 PM


Re: Boo-boo

It is now Politically Incorrect to express the science which tells us this is true, and the idea of distinct racial lines in taboo today.

It's not uncommon to see the term 'political correct' used to defend racist nonsense.

Do you really believe that you can trace racial differences to one of Noah's sons or alternatively to separate lines traceable to a single set of siblings? This isn't an issue of what the government says, or of political correctness or a denial of science. This is you spouting 18th century nonsense used to justify enslaving African people.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 146 of 908 (671494)
08-26-2012 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Big_Al35
08-26-2012 3:10 PM


Re: So, Big_Al35, what is MACROevolution?
Here is another example which illustrates my point that even articles discussing macroevolution in bacteria are unsure about the definition and indicate that it might just aswell be called microevolution.

The point of the summary at the link you point to is that definitions do matter, and it is a matter of definition as to whether certain examples of evolution should be called macroevolution.

You are doing a great job of demonstrating RAZD's point.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 153 of 908 (671568)
08-27-2012 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Taq
08-27-2012 3:03 PM


Re: So, Big_Al35, what is MACROevolution?
Actually creationists do have a definition of macro-evolution. Macro evolution is evolution that produces an organism that is of a different kind than the created kind of its ancestors.

The problem is that baraminology is a complete joke. The Bible lists only a few kinds, and leaves us to speculate as to the kind of all other life forms. Further, there is no mention in the Bible of any eukaryotic microbes or any reasonable way to make inferences regarding what "kind" a bacteria might be.

It's as if the whole text were written before the germ theory of disease was ever proposed. Oh wait...


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 156 of 908 (671597)
08-27-2012 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Taq
08-27-2012 5:56 PM


Re: So, Big_Al35, what is MACROevolution?
As soon as they create a working definition of kind then they know that we can present a transitional species that bridges the gap between those kinds.

I don't believe that Creationists are playing 'hide the football' or 'move the goal posts' with "kinds". There is no football and no "goal posts. Creationists don't have any way of telling whether a whale shark and a dwarf shark are of the same kind or are totally different kind until a scientists proves that those sharks share a common ancestor.

All they've got to go on is a very few verses in Genesis dealing with the kinds God created and the kinds Noah loaded on the ark. And IMO, their reading of those verses borders on numerology.

In short, the creationist definition of macroevolution is any evolution in contradiction to Genesis. It is indeed a waste of time to ask a creationist to do better than that.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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