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Author Topic:   Give your one best shot - against evolution
Jonathan
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Message 90 of 224 (12366)
06-29-2002 12:55 AM


I was waiting in the doctors office one day in the exam room looking at cut away diagrams of the human body. Seeing how extreamly complex the design is and how well it works is what convinced me. I just cant possibly imagine that all of this has happened totally by chance. It just works to well to have hapened on its own with no outside help. A million engineers working a million years couldnt even come close to designing somthing as well designed as the human body. And evolutionists expect us to beleive that it created itself?
It is harder to beleive that abiogenesis and evolution occured than it is to beleive that there is a god that has created us.
Just my opinion.

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Jonathan
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Message 94 of 224 (12474)
07-01-2002 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Peter
07-01-2002 10:59 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter:
1) evolution doesn't depend on abiogenesis.
Let me rephraise what I said earlier. Its harder to beleive in abiogenesis than it is to beleive in a god that created us.
2) Evolution is not pure chance.
Then what is it?
Is that so hard to believe ... that over the course of several million
years, an accumulation of changes could lead to the diversity of
life we see today ?
Yes, yes it is.
Evolutionists say that there is overwhelming evidence to support evolution but all Ive seen are pictures of birds beaks to show how they have "adapted" or "evolved". They have never shown how a cell, DNA, ear drums, eyes, electromagnetic navigation, the reproductive system, or the immune system evolved. If they could do that then yes I would accept it.
There is just too much complexity to have happened by chance. Thats exactally what evolution is CHANCE. Chance variations starting at nothing and ending with absolute perfection. Im sorry but I just cant buy that.
I think that science is too afriad to admit that there is somthing that they cant explain and they will keep making up fantastic scenarios to explain away the unexplainable until they do.
Just my opinion.

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Jonathan
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Message 99 of 224 (12488)
07-01-2002 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by TrueCreation
07-01-2002 3:04 PM


Sorry but I didnt mean to sound unsubjective. Its just very hard for me to accept that billions of mutations would result in anything but failure for a living organism.
For example. Lets say you have a single celled organism (one of the very first) but its immune system hasnt evolved yet. All it would take to wipe out each and every living cell would be a paper cut and then youre back to square one. There would be millions of similar "weaknesses" for the early life forms.
That being said. What percentage of the mutations are beneficial? How many mutations would it take to produce the reproductive system? Wouldnt the addition of the reproductive system cause potential harm to the mother? Then by natural selection all of those carrying the reproduction traits would die off. Now you have no reproductive system and you have to start all over. It would take billions if not trillions of organisms to allow for the process of natural selection to work without killing all of them off. There are too many processes that have to be just right.
The millions of steps that have to be exact for the process to function at all is the over complexity that I see. 5 billion years is not enough time.
I agree that it may be possible for a cat to evolve into a lion, but not for an ameba to evolve into a human. Once life has been established with a large population to work with, natural selection is feasable. But to start with the first cell and to have it grow and multiply, that is very difficult. The process of creating life would have tremendous odds aganst it.
Im just saying that IN MY OPINION the whole theory of abiogenesis, and to a lesser degree evolution, is at best very very difficult to naturally occur and have posotive results. Its like a plant that you dont water or fertalize or give enough sunlight to. It usually dies. Why would the very first life forms be any different?
When I referred to evolution as chance I mean chance mutations that ultimately result in progress. Like chance when throwing dice. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? Did you go home with more money or less?

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Jonathan
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Message 104 of 224 (12514)
07-01-2002 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by gene90
07-01-2002 8:10 PM


Im sorry that Im not up on my evolutionary biology right now. I just graduated high school and I restore boats for a living, but do you see the point that Im getting at? Its not easy to create life.
The immense complexity of the human body is mind boggling. Evolutionists see this as evidence of natural selection. I see it as evidence of a damn good design. I will admit that abiogenesis/evolution is possible. but not probable.

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