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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
From your snippet from your link:
quote: Wow! Now that's insightful. But giving a motive for guiding evolution to produce sexual reproduction doesn't explain how it supposedly evolved. This is even more ironic/moronic when one considers the ruckus raised about evolution being guided. Greetings, Lyston. As you can see, evolutionism is still as bankrupt as ever on this topic, and no serious attempt to tackle it is likely to be forthcoming. "Oh, it'd be so much easier for a mutation to put both male and female in one body than in separate bodies - see, problem solved! And you're ignorant and stupid for thinking it ever might be a problem, BTW." That's what you'll get, only much, much wordier. I've always thought the funnier part that even if male and female arise in the same place, species, and time; there's an overwhelmingly good chance they wouldn't understand their new roles. You know, with nothing hardwired into the circuits yet they'd still be out of luck. I notice you've already been "corrected" for not understanding that sex would evolve in a population. Funny part is: mutations happen to individuals. And they don't spread to populations if the individual can't reproduce. But we're too thick to figure that out... Have as much fun as you can. It can get pretty funky when you bring up an issue that they know for dead certain kills their fantasy.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: Nonsense. I was merely pointing out that in a situation where it will serve to give the illusion that a creationist doesn't know what he's talking about, there are individuals who will happily "forget" even the most fundamental and obvious scientific facts. If I thought evolutionists didn't know this, I would expect it to go over their heads. It didn't because they do know it (when they choose to remember).
quote: Strawman? Anyone can see for themselves. Pretending hermaphrodites are easier to evolve doesn't answer the question of how they'd evolve. Explaining WHY evolution would desire to evolve a thing says nothing about HOW it would do so. And meaningless obfuscation is meaningless obfuscation. Now if anyone can provide a straightforward, direct answer to HOW sexual reproduction could evolve I'd be curious to see it. Oh, almost left one out: listing different reproductive designs doesn't explain how they could evolve either. It actually means there are that many more creatures evolutionism needs to give account for. Darwin himself said it's required to account for everything, but anyone demanding that it actually do so is routinely accused of "arguing from incredulity".
quote: Your mistake lack of faith for lack of understanding. Lyston is correct: sexual reproduction has to begin as a mutation or group of mutations in an individual. There's no other way to get the ball rolling. This mutation has to be passed on. I said:
quote: Perhaps this is what you mean by "strawman"? Well, even if hermaphrodites arose first, they'd need to be hardwired to reproduce after their fashion. How is "evolution did it" in any way superior to "God did it"? At least God knows what He's doing. Evolution only knows what it's doing when it suits an evolutionist argument, like the one above. Any time evolutionists answer a HOW question with a WHY answer, they attribute motive to their god.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: The "it" in my sentence refers to the HOW question. Millions of words about WHY don't count. Evolution's motives are distinct, separate question. Darwin wrotequote: There has never been a plausible scenario imagined which accounts for the reproductive systems to form by numerous, successive, slight modifications. Pardon me for agreeing on this point with your prophet. Edited by CTD, : Removed inappropriate residual title
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: It's not hard to designate which question one is answering. For example, "Once it was present, natural selection would favor sexual reproduction because..." This is distinctly different from "Here's how it happened: it happened because..." I see a little "We might be able to start a story with...", but nothing clear and explanatory, and nothing approaching the full story from no sexual reproduction to the male & female sexes. That's what the O.P. asked for. That's what's required lest Darwin's "theory" break down. Now the others claim it'd take several small steps, but from the first sentence of message #9 I get the impression you're of the sect that believe evolution can overcome absolutely any odds, no matter how great. If so, you shouldn't have a problem with the "overnight" scenario originally presented.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: Did you really miss the word "plausible" in my post? It's still there, and it's if you need to double check.
quote: Why repeat what's already been done? I couldn't take credit for it. Evolutionists deserve the credit in the case we're discussing. They have clearly shown that they can't account for the reproductive organs. The honest ones actually admit it. The rest change the subject, or talk about one small aspect and then pretend the whole thing's been explained. Explaining how to get from point Q to point R doesn't explain how to get from point A to point Z. And I personally consider these attempts at evasion to be confessions of failure.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: Not really. I know he was only writing it as part of his snowjob formula: Acknowledge your idea's weak, then proceed to blah blah blah some excuses why the weakness should be overlooked. The whole book follows formats like that. If the practice goes back to that time, I expect he may well have had his fingers crossed when he wrote it. Or maybe he had some sort of "absolute proof" in mind when he penned the word "demonstrated". If so, he should have indicated it by writing "absolutely demonstrated". His bad.
quote: If it's so easy, I think someone'd be doing it. Since when has "what actually happened" stopped an evolutionist? Or even slowed one down? These people are feather coating dinosaurs, and their story isn't even plausible yet on that one! BTW, shouldn't the 'ancestors' of mammals be portrayed with fur? (That's a freebie. Y'all're free to run with it if someone hasn't already got it going.)
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CTD Member (Idle past 5891 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: I made it clear that I was referring to one specific sect. Obviously the rest would have a problem with it, at least initially.
quote: Ha! Off topic? Not in respect to the topic of the thread. Male and female have sexual organs. Do I perceive the need to lessen the burden and only address the very, very first baby step in that direction as the "origin of sexual reproduction"? I've had my fill of slanders in this thread. It's clear I'm unwelcome.
quote: Yes they do. And wishing won't unify the religion. That sect has posted plenty of their nonsense in this forum. I won't even bother with a search as it's a waste of time confirming something everyone already knows.
quote: The links and posts of this thread provide ample support of my assessment. I've seen one or two good posts that at least appear to be made in good faith and provide information. But they don't provide enough information to satisfactorily answer the questions. Now it's time to reassess the value of time spent participating on this forum, where half of what I say is intentionally misportrayed and truth is unwelcome. (See msg #52, for just one lame example. I'll not waste more time responding.) Lastly, Admin uses the term "devolve" in msg 53. Seems very anachronistic if "ALL change = evolution". Why waste time typing the "d"?
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