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Hill Billy
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Message 6 of 122 (456224)
02-16-2008 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by subbie
02-14-2008 2:40 PM


Whats the difference between a duck?
I would like give you creos an opportunity to prove that you in fact do know both "what evolution is"
Tell us.
Ok, I'll try, isn't evolution the theory that says living things change , through reproduction, over time? That one type of critter, after generations of reproduction may become a different type of critter? That certain types of critters will be unable to reproduce and their "coding" will be lost to the pool, while others will increase in numbers due to "favorable conditions" ? That the make up of a critter will change with reproduction?
I believe that's a simplistic version of the theory.
"what is being preached as evolution."
Some of the things being preached are that this theory proves conclusively that every living thing originated with one single living thing which originated with no living thing and that relatively simple things can become extremely complex things just by reproduction and selection. It is also being preached that all this living originated with nothing living and to ask how is a nonsense question.
Edited by Hill Billy, : for clairity

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5354 days)
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From: The hills
Joined: 01-26-2008


Message 11 of 122 (456244)
02-16-2008 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
02-16-2008 2:10 PM


Re: Whats the difference between a duck?
Percy
What happened to the selection part of the process ("certain types of critters will be unable to reproduce") that you mentioned in the first paragraph? You can't claim that selection is part of the process, and that reproduction comprises the entire process - that's a contradiction,
Your right. I've edited for clarity.
Evolution and abiogenesis are both areas of study within biology. No one would ever say that abiogenesis is a nonsense question, but they will tell you that abiogenesis and evolution are separate areas of study. And they are.
Yes, however the second part of the question was, "what is being preached." and what I wrote is the jist of many of the " sermons " that I have heard or read. I was not commenting on the truth of the sermons, only the content. I find the "preaching " of evolution often crosses the line into other disciplines. Including outright fantasy.
The questions were, what is the theory and what is being preached. My answer is -two distinctly different things.
Any descent into wise-guy mode will bring an instant suspension.
I fear you may have set the bar impossibly high as I'm a wise guy by nature but yer the boss and I'll do my best.

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Hill Billy
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Message 12 of 122 (456245)
02-16-2008 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
02-16-2008 1:57 PM


Re: Whats the difference between a duck?
No, that's just some rubbish that you've made up in your head.
Um, no, thats rubbish someone else made up in their head and I am repeating in order to answer a question. Go back and read the OP. "What is being preached? "

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Hill Billy
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Message 23 of 122 (456276)
02-16-2008 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Admin
02-16-2008 5:21 PM


Re: Getting on Topic
If you're going to address the part of subbie's opening post that asked for "what is being preached" about evolution, then you also have to address the part where he says:
subbie in Message 1 writes:
I would much prefer that you cite a source for your understanding. I'd also much prefer that you cite a scientific source for your understanding.
I'm a little confused. I went back and re read the OP. It didn't help. I guess I assumed that Subbie was lookin for sources regarding the theory itself and I did not provide any, thinking I provided a reasonable if somewhat simplistic description. As no one has taken exception to my description of the theory itself are the sources still necessary?
As to what is preached, it may be difficult to cite credible " scientific " sources as I doubt most credible sources would agree with what is being "preached".
If you want to say that these are your own views, fine
I don't, really.
but if you want to claim evolutionists told you this then you need to show where they said this.
Most of this preaching has taken place in person, in my own home, in coffee shops, or at work. For example, my buddy Clint, Who claims to be very science minded and yet is continually misrepresenting what the TOE actually says.( And many other theories as well.) How am I supposed to cite and reference any of the many sermons I have received personally from avowed evolutionists. I will take some time and search the threads here as I'm fairly certain I have read the preaching on this site as well, but remember, not all evolutionists are scientists. In fact, likely most are not, so it's not so strange to believe that many evolutionists couldn't tell you what the TOE actually says.
It stretches credulity to believe that an evolutionist would claim that evolution includes the Big Bang, or that asking where the first life came from is a nonsense question.
Evolutionists are just an other group of people and in that group you will find all kinds. Including some who have no idea about what it is they claim to believe. One of the local grade seven science teachers regularly lumps the big bang, abiogenesis, and evolution into one pot called evolution.When I mentioned abiogenesis to her she wasn't really sure what I was talking about. A science teacher!
I think part of the problem is that a great many on both sides of the fence have completely lost sight of the "tentative" nature of science. Many seem to think that because some theories have proven to be reliable that all the rest must be as well.

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