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Message 46 of 122 (465994)
05-12-2008 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Wumpini
05-12-2008 8:09 AM


Crocaducks
You make a good Point,Wumpini. The Theory of Evolution is often confused with evolution: the facts. There is a planet out there with neither finches, horses, peppered moths, nor Darwin. Yet on that planet the ToE still functions with it’s own set of facts.

On Earth the set of facts does include life becoming cellular some time before 3.5 billion years ago, becoming multi-cellular further on and then broadly diversifying some 500 million years ago. All this well before the ToE was explained by Darwin using the facts around him.

The ToE is today, for obvious reasons, still learned using the facts at hand even though it is independent of them. But there is really no cause to try to separate them when we are still battling the Crocaduck.


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Message 51 of 122 (466056)
05-12-2008 10:42 PM
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05-12-2008 11:05 AM


Re: Factual Claims
I think there for I am. All else is tentative. And it’s bloody well boring to have to qualify every statement one makes to include that. If the word fact has any meaning at all then it is legitimate to apply it to data that one has absolutely no reason to doubt except the possibility that we are in the Matrix.

The people who can’t figure that one out for themselves have bigger fish to fry then whether modern science is sensitive to the fears of the laity.


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Message 52 of 122 (466057)
05-12-2008 10:57 PM
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05-12-2008 11:50 AM


Re: Factual Claims
I used the word “becoming” so as to not state the how of it. However it happened… it happened. I believe it was through workaday Darwinian evolution, but we can quibble about that after we get the history under our belts.


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Message 56 of 122 (466192)
05-13-2008 1:16 PM
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05-13-2008 10:08 AM


Re: What is a fact?
I really do not mean to bore you with my lack of understanding.

I’d not say you’re boring me with your lack or understanding; that’s for sure. I as amused as all get out at at what wonderful use you’re getting out of it.

It is a fact when you find a fossil.

Curiously, that’s not necessarily a fact either. I’ve actually seen folks who were so sure that they had a fossil in the rock that they carved one of their own imagining getting it out.

The ToE is pretty much a fact. However, many people who think ToE is a fact are just not comfortable with such an aggressive word to describe it thinking it hubris. Me? I’m not to concerned if folks mistake a five-nines fact for for hubris.

Sorry short.


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Message 59 of 122 (466206)
05-13-2008 3:08 PM
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05-13-2008 1:47 PM


Re: What is a fact?
If so there are millions of competent observers who have confirmed repeatedly that there is a God.

Not even one.


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