Reproductive Cost problem more devastating than ever

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they are ALWAYS a CHIMP off the old block.

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Oh really?...would that be Pan troglodytes or Pan paniscus....you do know that there are (at least) two species of chimpanzee (3 if you count humans).
..and a chimp is always just a chimp? I am sure you are not arguing from ignorance and are well versed in chimp diverstiy?...for exampleMol Ecol. 2000 Mar;9(3):315-28. Related Articles, LinksPatterns of microsatellite polymorphism in the range-restricted bonobo (Pan paniscus): considerations for interspecific comparison with chimpanzees (P. troglodytes).Reinartz GE, Karron JD, Phillips RB, Weber JL.Department of Biological Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, PO Box 413, Milwaukee, WI 53201, USA. gayr@uwm.eduThe endangered great ape, Pan paniscus (bonobo) has the smallest range of the African apes. Virtually nothing is known about the genetic diversity or genetic structure of this species, while substantial amounts of polymorphism have been reported for the bonobo's widespread congener, the chimpanzee (P. troglodytes). Given its restricted range, what is the extent of genetic variation in the bonobo relative to the chimpanzee, and is the bonobo genetically depauperate? To investigate patterns of genetic polymorphism, bonobos of wild origin were genotyped for 28 microsatellite loci. The mean number of alleles per locus (5.2) and the mean observed heterozygosity (0.52) in bonobos were similar to variation observed in a wild chimpanzee community (P. t. schweinfurthii). The rarer bonobo is not genetically depauperate and may have genetic diversity comparable to the eastern chimpanzee subspecies. Bonobos have approximately 55% of the allelic diversity and 66% of the observed heterozygosity exhibited by all three chimpanzee subspecies sampled across equatorial Africa. Resampling techniques were used to quantify the effects of sample size differences and number and choice of loci between bonobos and chimpanzees. The examination of these variables underscores their importance in accurately interpreting interspecific comparisons of diversity estimates.or thisNat Genet. 2001 Feb;27(2):155-6. Related Articles, LinksGreat ape DNA sequences reveal a reduced diversity and an expansion in humans.Kaessmann H, Wiebe V, Weiss G, Paabo S.Max-Planck-Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig, Germany.The extent of DNA sequence variation of chimpanzees is several-fold greater than that of humans. It is unclear, however, if humans or chimpanzees are exceptional among primates in having low and high amounts of DNA sequence diversity, respectively. To address this, we have determined approximately 10,000 bp of noncoding DNA sequences at Xq13.3 (which has been extensively studied in both humans and chimpanzees) from 10 western lowland gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla) and 1 mountain gorilla (Gorilla gorilla beringei; that is, from 2 of the 3 currently recognized gorilla subspecies), as well as 8 Bornean (Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus) and 6 Sumatran (Pongo pygmaeus abelii) orang-utans, representing both currently recognized orang-utan subspecies. We show that humans differ from the great apes in having a low level of genetic variation and a signal of population expansion.You would not be arguing from ignorance and incredulity like A TYPICAL CHRISTIAN creationist now would you?

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While I can appreciate and respect those who have achieved educational
excellence within their field of expertice, that doesn't mean that
they have cornered the market on theoretical ideas nor that they're
any more superior simply because of their training/indoctrination.

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I wouldn't pretend to understand all the diversity on GOD's green
earth or presume to fully comprehend why. However, that doesn't
make a gorilla human simply because someone was clever enough to
apply subtitles or for that matter enjoy Magilla Gorilla cartoons...

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Superior? Not necessarily, but properly informed. Should I go for surgery to a guy who watches soap operas because he said he watched a brain transplant on Days of Our Lives? Not only should you not pretent to understand all of the diversity, you should not pretend to even know a fraction of what science has discovered as you have continuously demonstrated that you have 1) no idea what evolution is 2) have no interest but rather claim that because of your religious agenda that all of us who have spent our lives working in science are wrong.That you would paraphrase the studies I posted as equating that humans are gorillas shows that you have both a scientific and comprehension deficit. Now tell me why should anyone take your views seriously when you claim that not knowing anything about the field you are debating entitles you to make claims of certitude as to the validity of scientific theories? Since you were basically accusing me of arrogance can't you see your own hypocricy?

Since you are claiming repeatedly what an oppressed lot the creationists are, here is your golden opportunity.Present to us your hypothesis of creation and then
1. show how it is testable
2. show how it is falsifiable
3. show the supporting evidenceThen you would have a scientific hypothesis that could be tested and if found lacking rejected. The theory of evolution meets all of these criteria..and because of the amount of evidence from different disciplines that support it...it is now a theory and not a hypothesis.So now is your big chance...show us the scientific hypothesis of creation....it has never been done by anyone (which is why it is not taught in SCIENCE classes) so you could be the shooting star A Christian..you up to the challenge?Good luck

Hey Scott,
Why are you quitting cold turkey? That would be a pity if you left.
I think A Christian did a classic post and run...i.e. he has not responded to a single post asking him to provide evidence for his assertions...
cheers,
M

Hi Scott,
I sometimes bail out of here to when things get to hectic at work or just to take a break (or when my wife makes fun of me for spending too much time online). I also tend to designate a couple of days i.e. weekends where I just won't login or post.Still, it would be a pity to lose you here though I can certainly understand your reasons.cheers,
M