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Mammuthus
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Message 31 of 35 (49870)
08-11-2003 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by A_Christian
08-08-2003 4:30 PM


Since you are claiming repeatedly what an oppressed lot the creationists are, here is your golden opportunity.

Present to us your hypothesis of creation and then
1. show how it is testable
2. show how it is falsifiable
3. show the supporting evidence

Then you would have a scientific hypothesis that could be tested and if found lacking rejected. The theory of evolution meets all of these criteria..and because of the amount of evidence from different disciplines that support it...it is now a theory and not a hypothesis.

So now is your big chance...show us the scientific hypothesis of creation....it has never been done by anyone (which is why it is not taught in SCIENCE classes) so you could be the shooting star A Christian..you up to the challenge?

Good luck


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derwood
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Message 32 of 35 (49970)
08-11-2003 1:56 PM


hoo boy....
Looks like somebody visited electrical engineer creationist propagandist Fred “1 in 32 chance” Williams’ “satirical” website and didn’t get the joke… That or “A Christian” is an old timer in new clothes…
Well, I had made a decision to quit cold turkey – I really do have better things to do with my time – but I just thought I’d plop down my two cents…
quote:

SLPx:
I've never seen an ape conceive anything but an ape. Some are smart
and some are dumb. Some are pretty and some are pretty ugly; however,
they are ALWAYS a CHIMP off the old block. Hey, no 2 works of art
are ever exactly alike-----are they?


Was there something in there that was the product of intelligence, or was that just some venting?

quote:

I attended public school and college. I assure you that I know what
was being taught by the teachers at that time. Maybe I know more
about evolution then you know about the Bible? Personally, I feel
that evolution has no place in lower education. It is a total waste
of effort, since you yourself and your cohorts have explained how
deficient I am (even though I achieved A's in science).

Yes, of course you got all A’s in science courses – all creationists claim to have done so. And all creationists claim that they had evolution forced down their throats from K-college. Trouble is, that always turns out to be bullshit. Amount of evolution I had forced down my throat:
One 2-week section of science in 6th grade; one one-week session in an ELECTIVE semester-long anthropology course; the courses I took as a requirement for my graduate school minor.

That’s it – and I WANTED to learn about evolution! I think this “indoctrination” schtick is just some creationist collective fantasy.

quote:

The simple fact is that unless one is going to study ALL the
information (and I mean ALL) and not just what one is fed in an institution of learning by some instructor (who may see things from
one perspective and likely present only personal bias as truth), the
information those individuals have absorbed is of questionable
validity. You understand even less about Creationism then I
understand about Evolution. That is to my credit and not yours, since
evolution was the ONLY option presented in most schools and
Creationism I had to search out.

I sincerely doubt, given your posts, that you know more about evolution than anyone on this board knows about creationism. That you had to seek out creationism information should tell you something. What were your sources? What was their evidence? Their explanations? How many miracles were invoked?

quote:

…assertions of Creationism explained in full at most public
schools? The answer is NO!
By assertions I mean environmental, climatic and magnetic changes
that may support acceptance of the global FLOOD.

Considering the content of your posts, again, I find it nearly impossible to believe that you took college ‘science courses” at all, much less got A’s in them. An assertion only counts as supportive evidence in creationism. Do you know what an assertion is? It is when someone proclaims something to be so by virtue of their proclamation only. That is what fills creationist websites, books, pamphlets. That is why it is not science.
quote:

A study of how fossils must be formed rapidly and only occur under
very limited catastrophic events. The fact that life seems to
have exploded into diversity without fossil support their evolution.
That the "simple" cell has been found to be very complex and without
a real explanation of why or how it could have developed at all.
And that scientist have been unable to either with purpose mutate one
species into anything other than a breed or even create life.


Therefore, “life” really began at the whim of a deity later worshipped only by the Hebrews (who claimed top be the chosen) no more than 10,000 years ago in a 6, 24-hour day period.
Like I said, I find it nearly impossible to believe that you even took college science courses

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(2) "A second characteristic of the pseudo-scientist, which greatly strengthens his isolation, is a tendency toward paranoia," which manifests itself in several ways:
...(3) He believes himself unjustly persecuted and discriminated against...(4) He has strong compulsions to focus his attacks on the greatest scientists and the best-established theories. ..


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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 5032 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 33 of 35 (50089)
08-12-2003 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by derwood
08-11-2003 1:56 PM


Re: hoo boy....
Hey Scott,
Why are you quitting cold turkey? That would be a pity if you left.
I think A Christian did a classic post and run...i.e. he has not responded to a single post asking him to provide evidence for his assertions...
cheers,
M

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derwood
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 1457
Joined: 12-27-2001


Message 34 of 35 (50149)
08-12-2003 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Mammuthus
08-12-2003 6:21 AM


Re: hoo boy....
Not posting for a week was a great stress-reliever. It takes up too much time for so little return. Plus, the occasional backstabbing is a bit disappointing.

But I may stop by now and then...

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(2) "A second characteristic of the pseudo-scientist, which greatly strengthens his isolation, is a tendency toward paranoia," which manifests itself in several ways:
...(3) He believes himself unjustly persecuted and discriminated against...(4) He has strong compulsions to focus his attacks on the greatest scientists and the best-established theories. ..


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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 5032 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 35 of 35 (50328)
08-13-2003 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by derwood
08-12-2003 1:12 PM


Re: hoo boy....
Hi Scott,
I sometimes bail out of here to when things get to hectic at work or just to take a break (or when my wife makes fun of me for spending too much time online). I also tend to designate a couple of days i.e. weekends where I just won't login or post.

Still, it would be a pity to lose you here though I can certainly understand your reasons.

cheers,
M


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