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randman 
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Message 164 of 284 (215754)
06-09-2005 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
05-31-2004 7:07 AM


Haven't read the whole thread, but the following comment is one reason I am highly skeptical of evolutionists claims to approach the data with a scientific approach.
It's actually you who doesn't understand your own position, or at least, the very obvious consequence - if we're the product of intelligent design, and that designer is a perfect God, then we shouldn't have just some overall, large-scale, exterior symmetry.
We should be perfectly symmetric, inside and out. We're not, so we're obviously not the product of a perfect designer.
Evolutionists bring up God more than the creationists do, but then have the gall to claim they are merely basing things on science.
What a joke!
I haven't read the whole thread, but the pure idiocy of crash's comments frequently echoed by evolutionists and the sheer numbers of false arguments put forth to try to refute their critics makes an objective person wonder why they claim to be using a scientific approach.
Maybe working scientists are, but comments like Crash's seem to be the dominant way evolutionary theories are promoted and defended.

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Message 165 of 284 (215757)
06-09-2005 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by contracycle
01-17-2005 9:21 AM


Good point on DNA. I would argue that the OP's initial idea may not have an answer due to lack of evidence.
What has occurred is reproduction producing similarities (common ancestry) is a more easily observed process and has thus garnered undue influence in the thinking of evolutionists, for lack of a better term, eager to prove their theories absent the data really sufficient to make good assertations. The process has thus been tainted.
There is overwhelming evidence for design, and the fact evolution is not really random, but totally governed by a number of factors. Mutations are not random. DNA displays some convergent tendencies for instance, and the principles of chemistry and matter underlying DNA are not ever-changing, but exert a guiding force on evolution.
For me, as far as the Creator, I tend to think universal common descent is so implausible and statistically insane that if it is true, it is indeed a mighty miracle of God.
I do think there is evidence for evolution, but I don't think the mechanisms presented are sufficient.
Symmetry, convergent evolution, adding of new information to genomes to go from a initial life form to all see today, and a whole host of details suggest to me that trying to pin evolution on randomness is false.
One poster argued that design was clearly there but produced by the physical properties and laws already in place.
If that is so, one has to wonder who made those physical laws and properties that hold within them the keys and blueprints of the design.

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Message 168 of 284 (215895)
06-10-2005 1:05 PM
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06-10-2005 7:51 AM


What a twisted form of logic you display. You admit abiogenesis is more or less a statistical impossibility, but cling to it, but separate it by definition from evolution so you can argue evolution with explaining how evolution started, and then you claim that it is less likely with God helping, that abiogenesis or special creation or theistic evolution could occur.
astonishing

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