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Huntard

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Message 58 of 91 (571760)
08-02-2010 9:07 AM

Reply to: Message 57 by Big_Al35
08-02-2010 9:02 AM

Re: Genetic compatibility is not relevant.

Big_Al35 writes:

Apparently so...and yet even the experts have difficulty telling lions and tigers skulls apart.

Interesting. Got any documentation on this?

Also lions and tigers can breed, often with fertile offspring.

I haven't heard of a fertile Liger or Tigon. Any documentation on that as well?

Very surprising that it takes 4 million years of evolution in a predatory mammal to simply change the fur coat, gain a few pounds and lengthen the teeth and claws a tiny bit.

Why?

Humans on the other hand have an evolutionary distance of 15 million years to our nearest relatives the great apes. A much bigger evolutionary step I think you would agree.

I wouldn't. But notice that it took more than 3 times as long.

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Message 61 of 91 (571764)
08-02-2010 9:27 AM

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08-02-2010 9:15 AM

Re: Genetic compatibility is not relevant.

bluegenes writes:

The females can be fertile, and at least one has reproduced with a tiger (from memory, but I'm pretty sure).

Ok, but they can never reproduce as a "species of hybrid" then, which is what I was picturing. They need a "parent species" partner to reproduce. Does this work with lions also?

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Message 69 of 91 (571776)
08-02-2010 10:44 AM

Reply to: Message 67 by Big_Al35
08-02-2010 10:33 AM

Re: Genetic compatibility is not relevant.

Big_Al35 writes:

Not sure I understand this hybrid point. If a tiger and lion reproduce and have a daughter we have fertile offspring.

Yes.

The daughter and grandchildren could then go on to mate with lions again and again.

Yes, but these chidren would be less "hybrid" and more "original lion" every time this happens.

Are you saying that all great great great grandsons not matter how much lion they have in them can't mate with lions?

Perhaps, I don't think it's ever gone that far though. Anyway, If there were a point where this was to occur, I think it will be classified as a lion, rather than a Liger or Tigon.

This would be your hybrid species right? Almost lion but not quite.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure how you'd be able to tell that one apart from an actual lion, unless you'd unravel his entire DNA and find a little tiny spec of tiger DNA. Like I said, I'm pretty sure such a creature would be clasified as a lion, not a Liger or Tigon

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Message 88 of 91 (572016)
08-03-2010 10:01 AM

Reply to: Message 86 by Big_Al35
08-03-2010 9:51 AM

Re: Lets compare

Big_Al35 writes:

HUH!

Sorry, I don't know what you are banging on about.

He made a mistake, the quote should have been:

Big_Al35 writes:

The skeleton of the lion and tiger are so alike that without the skin it is almost impossible to tell them apart, presenting even the best experts with a great challenge.

I think he wanted to point out that that is all your quote says about it, while wounded king's quote is far more detailed. Which makes him believe WK's source, and not yours.

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