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Message 1 of 138 (50773)
08-17-2003 9:26 PM


giants
How does evolution explain giants. They were clearly around, not by only proof of the bible but by other documents such as skeletons found from all over the world and the finding of a giant by Josephus here in writing:
("In an ancient text of the Jews, we read an astonishing description of some of these gigantic Amorites whom the Israelites conquered. In Buber's Tanhuma, Devarim 7, the text tells us of a Rabbi Johnanan ben Zakkai's encounter with the Roman Emperor Hadrian. This event occurred in about A.D. 135, soon after the Roman victory in the Bar Kochba war, when the Jews rebelled against the Romans. The text reads:
"The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, 'I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.' Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, 'Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.' Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, 'When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us'" (quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962).
Thirty feet tall! The bones of these men were still in existence during the time of Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century!")
(From an article)
Any explanations of this from an evolutionists view?
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Message 2 of 138 (50775)
08-17-2003 9:33 PM
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quote:
Any explanations of this from an evolutionists view?
BS.
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Message 3 of 138 (50777)
08-17-2003 9:36 PM
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explain why you feel this evidence as "bs"?
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Message 4 of 138 (50781)
08-17-2003 9:50 PM


Re: interesting
I also found this at http://www.returnofthenephilim.com :
"Human skulls with horns were discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania, in the 1880's. The horny projections extended two inches above the eye-brows, and the skeletons were seven feet tall, but other than that were anatomically normal. The find was made by a reputable group of antiquarians, including the Pennsylvania state historian and dignitary of the Presbyterian Church (Dr. G.P. Donehoo) and two professors. The American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia "conveniently the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia lost them"
Full Article:
Horned Race o
weird weird site. I think they believe the nephilim are aliens or something. I'll look into it. Check out the new avatar I'm getting from that site. Anyway I hope this new info will rouse the topic.
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Message 5 of 138 (50782)
08-17-2003 9:51 PM


bump, cmon respond guys.
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Message 6 of 138 (50783)
08-17-2003 10:08 PM


http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/...AntediluvianGiant.html
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantsInHistory.html
check out those links for pictures and eyewitness accounts of HUGE human bones and eye witness accounts of giants. surf around http://www.returnofthenephilim.com . You will be amazed
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Message 7 of 138 (50786)
08-17-2003 10:33 PM


plz anyone respond
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Message 8 of 138 (50787)
08-17-2003 10:40 PM
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I actually think John is giving you too much credit.
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Message 9 of 138 (50789)
08-17-2003 11:06 PM


explain why.
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Message 10 of 138 (50790)
08-17-2003 11:07 PM


Can an evolutionist please try to explain these findings?
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Message 11 of 138 (50793)
08-17-2003 11:49 PM
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Note that Josephus is the guy who reported a cow giving birth to a lamb at some Roman religious festival, and that the report you quote has him quoting "ancient documents." When I read it in the Weekly World News, along with some item on Bat Boy, maybe I'll give it a little more credence.

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Message 12 of 138 (50794)
08-18-2003 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Trump won
08-17-2003 9:36 PM


quote:
explain why you feel this evidence as bs?
Lol... I was just about to edit that post.
quote:
They were clearly around
Well, right about here you go wrong. There are no skeletons of giants-- none. Let alone human giants. The largest known primate was gigantopithicus. This was a big critter, but nowhere near 30 feet and definitely not human.
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... and the finding of a giant by Josephus here in writing:
What you post isn't the story of Josephus finding a giant's skeleton, it Josephus' retelling of a story he read about. This makes it second hand, which is less than optimal.
But lets look at the contents of the story.
1) The Rabbi is saving face by diverting the credit for the victory to God and away from the Romans.
2) We have excavated countless cities and grave in the mid-east and there are no giants. Why do you think they could have eluded us?
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Thirty feet tall!
Yes, and utterly ficticious.
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The bones of these men were still in existence during the time of Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century!"
Wrong. You've misread. Josephus didn't see any bones. He simply retells a tale.
(From an article)
Any explanations of this from an evolutionists view?
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Message 13 of 138 (50797)
08-18-2003 1:51 AM
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08-17-2003 11:07 PM


Messenjah try to think critically for a minute....
Have you seen these 30 ft laong skeletons? Did Josephus claim to have seen them? Or is he just recording an anecdote he was told? Is it possible that this anecdote is a tall tale? Is it possible that Josephus made it up? Josephus was after all born Joseph ben Mattathias, a jew, could he not have made it up to save face for his race, the chosen race of God, being subjugated by a bunch of idolatrous heathens......
In short the stench of bovine excrement is pretty strong....
If you want us to account for 30 ft tall homo sapiens produce the remains, untill then why should we account for something that we think is fiction....
Or do you expect us to account for mermaids, unicorns etc as well

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Message 14 of 138 (50798)
08-18-2003 2:00 AM
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08-17-2003 10:08 PM


http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/...AntediluvianGiant.html
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantsInHistory.html
check out those links for pictures and eyewitness accounts of HUGE human bones and eye witness accounts of giants. surf around http://www.returnofthenephilim.com . You will be amazed
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/NewWorldOrderAnd9-11.html
Your right I am amazed that there are people that suspicious about everything but the millenia old religious tract that they base their lives on.....

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Message 15 of 138 (50866)
08-18-2003 1:40 PM


Did you simply ignore the human bone, and what about the skulls, or my avatar? Heres the bone:http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/...AntediluvianGiant.html
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