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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: I dont think my understanding is "limited". As I dont think yours is. ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
micro-evolution or adaptation is observable not evolution. I wasn't just talking about adaptation. (Which is part of evolution.) I was talking about speciation - the process by which new species arise. That is evolution, right?
On the same note evolution in a species has never been recorded or seen either. What? Sure it has. Here's some 50 or so recorded instances of new species evolving both in the lab and in the wild:
Observed Instances of Speciation So, we've observed adaptation. We've observed it giving rise to new species. We observe fossil evidence that new species arose in the past. What more do you need? [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-19-2003]
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I browsed through it (long article).
quote: I dont see any indication of that, maybe pointing it out would be nice. I read on adaptation, not evolution.
quote: Can you please back up your statements with the fossil evidence? ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Also speciation isnt evolution.
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
adaptation is evolution or part of it
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Check this for my views:
Missing Link
| Answers in Genesis
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Missing Link
| Answers in Genesis
That shows how speciation defies evolution in ways. ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Yeah I know, it is part of the evolutionary theory. ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
"If we start with the Word of the One who knows all, the evidence of today’s world makes a great deal of sense. Creatures were to reproduce ‘after their kind’, so mice come from mice, lizards from lizards, daisies from daisies. Evolution has never occurred, nor does it occur today. But organisms have a wonderful ‘built-in’ genetic capacity for rapid change in response to environmental pressures—most easily observed today in isolated island environments."
That sums it up for me. Back to Giants here before this topic gets closed lol. ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
quote:This is evolution. He has some wild Ideas....
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
They adapted from their kinds, no evolution there. Thats adaptation not evolution.
------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
Put the Bible out of your head for alittle while. Now try to see things without it. See things without Religion. Stop looking for things to get around Evolution to make your Bible correct and look just at Evolution. As has been said the Bible has no Facts to back it up so We regard it as just stories. Without proof you can't say they are real or not. I can't see how you can. Stop listening to Mom and other family who a christens and do some extra research Beyond Creation sites
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I browsed through it (long article). Well, we've observed a lot of new species being made.
I dont see any indication of that, maybe pointing it out would be nice. I read on adaptation, not evolution. No, speciation. New species that are different than the parent species. Am I going to have to explain every little thing to you? Are you even going to read the papers I present to you? Ok, how about this, a flowering plant that adapted to be resistant to copper toxins and can no longer breed with it's parent population (i.e. is a new species):
quote: Or this, where a kind of single-celled algae became a colonial organism (a kind of stepping-stone to multi-cellular life):
quote: Or even fruit flies exposed to different environments for so long that they could no longer mate with other populations and thus, became a new species:
quote: This was all in that article. New species, with new abilities, that can't interbreed with the old populations. Speciation. It's as clear as can be.
Can you please back up your statements with the fossil evidence? That new species arose in the past? Ok, consider grasses. No grasses appear in the fossil record in strata deeper than this geological era. Since the geologic record is largely a record of time, that means that grasses evolved after the dinosaurs. That would be fossil evidence of a new species. A whole new taxa, in fact.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
These are the emails she has sent me so far, the owner of the site in case you dont know:
"Iam going to send you information as i find it.To start: Several human skulls with horns protruding from them were discovered in a burial mound at Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania, in the 1880's. With the exception of the bony projections located about two inches above the eyebrows, the men whom these skeletons belonged to were anatomically normal, though at seven feet tall they were giants. It was estimated that the bodies had been buried around A.D. 1200. The find was made by a reputable group of antiquarians, including the Pennsylvania state historian and dignitary of the Presbyterian Church (Dr. G.P. Donehoo) and two professors, A.B. Skinner, of the American Investigating Museum, and W.K.Morehead, of Phillips Academy, Andover, Massachusetts. The bones were sent to the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia, where like so many finds that question anthropology, they were stolen and never seen again" and this to tell me shes searching still: "If I remember right, I had problems finding the name before, when I originally did the article.I am announcing in BUFO Report for any information on this. In the meantime, Iam still searching. Mary" ------------------"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com [This message has been edited by messenjaH, 08-19-2003]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
They adapted from their kinds, no evolution there. Thats adaptation not evolution. I'm sorry, what are "kinds"? That's not a taxonomic category that I'm familiar with. What prevents one "kind" of population from giving rise to another "kind"?
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