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mark24
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Message 181 of 199 (33300)
02-26-2003 5:48 PM
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02-18-2003 9:00 AM


Welcome back.....
Well?
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peter borger
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Message 182 of 199 (33308)
02-26-2003 8:38 PM
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Hi Mark,
How are you?
From an evolutionary stance this potentially could be a definition for transition form. So, now you have to show me the examples.
Best wishes,
Peter

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mark24
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Message 183 of 199 (33309)
02-26-2003 8:45 PM
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02-26-2003 8:38 PM


Peter B,
If we agree that the prediction of the ToE is that transitional forms exist according to the following definition:
quote:
"A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa."
Then I'd like to forward Archaeopteryx as a candidate. The two taxa being reptiles & birds.
Mark
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peter borger
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Message 184 of 199 (33323)
02-27-2003 12:18 AM
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02-26-2003 8:45 PM


Hi mark,
If we agree that the prediction of the ToE is that transitional forms exist according to the following definition:
quote:
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"A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa."
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Then I'd like to forward Archaeopteryx as a candidate. The two taxa being reptiles & birds.
PB: I thought everybody agreed ages ago that Archie is a bird? What about the furcula?

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Peter
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Message 185 of 199 (33336)
02-27-2003 2:45 AM
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02-27-2003 12:18 AM


Archaeopterix
What about the teeth ?

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mark24
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Message 186 of 199 (33345)
02-27-2003 4:50 AM
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02-27-2003 12:18 AM


What of the furcula?
Peter,
quote:
I thought everybody agreed ages ago that Archie is a bird? What about the furcula?
What of it? The definition allows for discrete characters that are unique to one taxa or another, so a "fully developed" furcula found in birds, & a fully developed pubic peduncle found in dinosaurs makes the archaeopteryx a transitional form by the definition you agreed to.
What taxa it was subsequently shoehorned into is irrelevant.
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 02-27-2003]

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mark24
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Message 187 of 199 (33579)
03-03-2003 8:01 PM
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02-27-2003 4:50 AM


Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Peter?
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mark24
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Message 188 of 199 (33656)
03-04-2003 8:24 PM
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03-03-2003 8:01 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Hel-oooo-ooo
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peter borger
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Message 189 of 199 (33660)
03-04-2003 8:35 PM
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03-04-2003 8:24 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Hi Mark
According to the definition you could take the Archaeopteryx as a TF. And you eagerly do, I know. However, there are some problems with it. I will point it out later. In the meantime be patient. This board isn't going to be closed, is it?
Best wishes,
Peter

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mark24
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Message 190 of 199 (33661)
03-04-2003 8:39 PM
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03-04-2003 8:35 PM


Well no, Peter, I opened it, so you can't "request" it be closed like the others.
But I await your comments.
Mark
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peter borger
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Message 191 of 199 (33662)
03-04-2003 8:43 PM
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03-04-2003 8:39 PM


I only close topics that I have won.
best wishes,
Peter

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mark24
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Message 192 of 199 (33663)
03-04-2003 8:45 PM
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03-04-2003 8:43 PM


LOL

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peter borger
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Message 193 of 199 (33664)
03-04-2003 8:48 PM
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03-04-2003 8:45 PM


What's the fun about?

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wj
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Message 194 of 199 (33812)
03-06-2003 10:40 PM
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03-04-2003 8:35 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
^bump^

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wj
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Message 195 of 199 (34108)
03-11-2003 5:18 AM
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03-04-2003 8:35 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
And Borger's response to Archaeopteyrx is ...?

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